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Old 05-08-2009, 03:22 PM
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The paramount execs currently in power hate Trek.
Thats why ST:ENT was cancelled and when that wrappped shooting, all the sets from TNG to ENT were destroyed and all the props, models, costumes and miscellanea were sold off. They'll not be willing to make a new TV show.
Sorry, but there are a few perceptions in the above I find difficult to buy:

ENT was canceled because of poor ratings, just like TOS was back in the 1960s.

Also, destroying sets and auctioning off props has NOTHING to do with "liking" a film or a series. Sets are routinely destroyed or recycled because studios have nowhere to store them all. Unless a specific set is guaranteed use again in the near future, out it goes. There is nothing holy about a movie/TV set, only fans' perception of it. From a studio perspective, they take up entire soundstages and the minute a show is finished, that space needs to be freed up for new productions (and subsequently, new income).

CBS or anyone will be more than willing to make a new series if they see it as a profitable investment which viewers will watch and enjoy enough to make it last. They're in that business.
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Old 05-08-2009, 03:38 PM
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who cares about Enterprise that series is dreadfull it even makes deep space nine look gd
I do, it is one of the best made Treks made! I absolutely LOVE it!!!!
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Actually, I find no evidence to support that the events of ENT are either the same or altered.

As was pointed out by others here, there are changes shown to TREK history which happened before Nero's arrival: George Kirk's career being one of them.

Though this gets into a very hazy, undocumented area of discussion because so little facts exist (on screen, at least) about George Kirk.

Orci said last April at a con that ENT wouldn't play a part in his film. The Archer reference was about the extend of it, and even as that it's terribly VAGUE in its meaning.

There is more than one Kirk in Starfleet, so there's no reason not to think there could be more than one generation of Archer in Starfleet -- and it's likely given the time frame that Scotty didn't work with the Bakula-version.

Beyond speculation which is just that, I recall no evidence to support any conclusion about the events of ENT remaining (un)changed in the alternate universe. I'd hazard a guess: if indeed this universe pre-exists before Nero's arrival, the history of ENT would likely be MOSTLY the same as seen in the series, since there may have been little change to cause any divergence.

Even two identical, parallel universes running side by side without interference would probably NOT be identical, since so many individual choices and random events could easily alter history just as a natural matter of course. Guy turns left on a street, meets a different women who becomes his wife, they still have one child together but it's a different child, etc.
Since Archer, according to his history, says he died the day AFTER the maiden voyage of the Enterprise, it makes perfect since that his dog was the one who Scotty put through the transporter, definately not Porthos, but a different Begal. The "history" even states it was Archers dog, Check it out......last paragraph.

Porthos is Archer's pet dog. One of four males born in a litter of English Beagles, Porthos and his brothers, Athos, Aramis and d'Artagnan, were named after characters from The Three Musketeers by Alexandre Dumas, père. He has been Archer's faithful companion since the age of six weeks, and has remained so for the duration of Archer's 10-year assignment as captain of Enterprise.
Porthos was portrayed by a male beagle named Prada in Season 1. Afterwards, he was played by two female beagles, Breezy and Windy, although the character of Porthos remained male. Prada also portrayed the character Lou in the film Cats & Dogs.
Archer would occasionally leave Porthos in the care of Dr. Phlox when he was away or otherwise unavailable.
Archer cares very much for Porthos. In the pilot episode, Travis Mayweather says Archer won't use the transporter for himself and certainly not for his dog. In "A Night in Sickbay", Porthos nearly dies when he contracts a deadly pathogen on the Kreetassan homeworld, but is saved when Phlox transplants a gland from a chameleon-like creature.
Although Porthos isn't the first domesticated pet to be featured in a Star Trek series (Data owned a cat, Spot, in Star Trek: The Next Generation and Captain Jean-Luc Picard owned a Lionfish named Livingston), Porthos has the distinction of being the first pet to maintain an ongoing presence in the series, and even - as illustrated above - become the focus of an episode.
In the Mirror Universe depicted in "In a Mirror, Darkly", Porthos is a Rottweiler. According to the episode's podcast on Startrek.com, the dog that portrayed the mirror Porthos was known on set as an even bigger "baby" than the dogs which have played the regular Porthos. Episode writer Mike Sussman noted that the animal was "The sweetest dog I have ever met."
In the episode "Acquisition", Porthos was interrogated by a group of Ferengi pirates while the rest of the crew were incapacitated, but the aliens' universal translator could not decipher his barking. The pirates didn't know what to make of the dog, even speculating that he was perhaps food.
In the 2009 Star Trek film, it is implied that "Admiral Archer's" Beagle was involved in a freak accident when Montgomery Scott used him as a test subject for a transporter experiment. This is unlikely to have been Porthos, as he would have been over 70 years old when Scott was born. Although it is possible that 23rd century advances in veterinary medicine could allow for such longevity.
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Precisely, Scott. Seriously, Archer, Beagle ... what other Archer could be meant than the first UFP president who was present when the NCC-1701 launched?

It was a nice little reference.
It was one of my favorite lines!!!
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True. but really, if you get nitpicky about it, ENT was also affected, in a sense, because there would have been 2 timelines 25 years before he dies. I wonder where T'Pol would have been?
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