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Old 04-22-2009, 07:51 PM
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that's because even straight guys find some lesbian action to be HOT! Anyway, that is why I think it is more generally accepted.
Besides, we ladies have oooooodles of slash to keep us happy, so maybe that's their reasoning for not having a gay male character?
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First of all, I want to say with the upmost seriousness that I'm not trying to anger anyone here, nor am I asking this question for any other reason than the fact that I want to know the answer, but I cannot help but wonder. Are the gay/bi characters there for a reason, or are they just token gay/bi characters? I recall back in the day, during the 60's and 70's struggle for African American civil rights, that if a t.v. show had a token black character, that would anger the African Americans worse than if there were no black characters at all. So if there is a show with only one gay/bi in the midst of a hundred hetero's, for obviously no other reason than to have one there, wouldn't that anger the gay/bi people? Once more, just like the X-Files, I really want to know.
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As long as it is true to the part and not just for political correctness or comedic reasons or anything to just single out a gay character. Homosexuals exist! Let's have them in our dramas! Presented in an honest light, not just sensationalism. Gay/bi characters don't need to be there for a reason, they're there. It's human nature. Stargate, staying on topic with the thread, has many many characters, from a variety of backgrounds. Let's show the true scope of humanity here. Universe is going to do that, hopefully they will do it well and not just bank on hot girls kissing, which I don't have a problem with and don't mind at all. They had a little of that in the most recent episode of Fringe. As long as it is honest and good story telling, then let's see it! That's what I say.

You can't try to please a group by pandering. We're talking about drama here, good story telling. The bridge of the original Enterprise was made up of many nationalities for a good reason. It represented Earth, it showed that at some point in our future we're past all the BS we're dealing with now and no one would think it strange a black woman and white man kiss. They did it well in 1966, it served the point Roddenberry was trying to make. Humanity survives and it survives together. Gay/bi characters; as long as it serves the story and is not just thrown in to pander or single out, then let's have it. Real human drama, it never fails, if done well and it's time we see those of other sexual orientations taking their place as equals in our dramas, because slowly, very slowly, but surely it is happening in real life. So I look forward to Universe. I look forward to seeing what they do with this lesbian character.
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Old 04-23-2009, 06:24 AM
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First of all, I want to say with the upmost seriousness that I'm not trying to anger anyone here, nor am I asking this question for any other reason than the fact that I want to know the answer, but I cannot help but wonder. Are the gay/bi characters there for a reason, or are they just token gay/bi characters? I recall back in the day, during the 60's and 70's struggle for African American civil rights, that if a t.v. show had a token black character, that would anger the African Americans worse than if there were no black characters at all. So if there is a show with only one gay/bi in the midst of a hundred hetero's, for obviously no other reason than to have one there, wouldn't that anger the gay/bi people? Once more, just like the X-Files, I really want to know.
See, that's the catch. In a perfect world, a character's sexuality wouldn't even come up cause no one would care.
Alas, this is not a perfect world, and Hollywood marketing can be about as subtle as a fart in church. So to answer your question, yes I do think they're token characters right now... but in 20 years? Things may be better.
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Old 04-23-2009, 06:40 AM
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It is so simple, just put the people in the show and treat them like the normal folks they are. An Asian, an African, a Scottsman, a devil-look-a-like alien and a Russian were no big deal in an American TV show fourty years ago, so why should some gay or bi or transsexual folks be a big deal today?
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Well I am talking of a "serious" serie, not a sitcom.
But actually I have to admit, I don't know Will & Grace.
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First of all, I want to say with the upmost seriousness that I'm not trying to anger anyone here, nor am I asking this question for any other reason than the fact that I want to know the answer, but I cannot help but wonder. Are the gay/bi characters there for a reason, or are they just token gay/bi characters? I recall back in the day, during the 60's and 70's struggle for African American civil rights, that if a t.v. show had a token black character, that would anger the African Americans worse than if there were no black characters at all. So if there is a show with only one gay/bi in the midst of a hundred hetero's, for obviously no other reason than to have one there, wouldn't that anger the gay/bi people? Once more, just like the X-Files, I really want to know.
First off, no, I don't think we LGBT folk are angered by a "token" character at all. We've been treated like a non-existant minority for most of the 20th century, so ANY positive representation on TV is considered to be a good thing. Besides, if one character is on a show, eventually the writers will end up having him or her interract with others as the show goes on. So I doubt a LGBT character would exist in a void.

Secondly, I think the LGBT community is more concerned right now with HOW they are being portrayed. Disproving stereotypes, and not showing a representative character as a flaming, effeminate, sex maniac (reference "Jack" on Will and Grace for example) is generally a good thing. Having them not be the comic villian (say, like Dr. Smith on Lost in Space) or an ineffectual leader, or outright incompetent would also be a good thing.

Having them shown as an adult, who is as capable and as interesting as any other character on the show is really the objective.
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that's because even straight guys find some lesbian action to be HOT! Anyway, that is why I think it is more generally accepted.
That's pretty funny! Not so much because that what you're saying is not true, but that you seem to be ignoring that about 30% of gay adult video discs/tapes are sold or rented to women... (which actually exceeds the number, adjusted per capita of the market sales, of "lesbian" titles sold to men.)

The ladies like a watching a lot of HOT gay action too, it seems...

(Which explains slash, to a great extent.)

Source: Adult Video News, demographics.
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