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Old 04-03-2009, 08:18 AM
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It really was too soon. They should have taken a year or two off after Voyager. Enterprise tended to suffer from the extreme technobabble that plagued Voyager.
It was recuded to a TNG-level. No VOY style deus-ex machina 'activate the graviton beam to deflect the neutrion stream to get us out of this deep s**t' anymore.
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Old 04-03-2009, 08:31 AM
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It was recuded to a TNG-level. No VOY style deus-ex machina 'activate the graviton beam to deflect the neutrion stream to get us out of this deep s**t' anymore.
I understand that. Perhaps, it just felt like Voyager since they were so close in proximity. By the final season, ENT had shed that feel. Plus, I feel that even TNG had too much technobabble. My hope is that the new movie reduces it to the barest of bare minimums.
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Old 04-03-2009, 08:40 AM
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It just seemed like they were attempting to polish a turd. I really wanted to like it, like I said. It just felt like retread after retread and very little original thinking. I think the best episodes were perceived as such because they dealt with canon and familiar themes from our past recollections of the best Treks, and it was all nostalgic. When the show attempted originality it fell way flat. I have seen every episode of the series and would not lose one minutes sleep if I never saw them again.

Never forget that CGI Gorn, I was so embarrassed and no one was even watching.
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Old 04-03-2009, 08:45 AM
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I agree that the nostalgia was huge factor in making that final season what it was. I don't mind the CGI Gorn, but I don't see why they had to change the eyes...
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I tried real hard to get into Enterprise, I just couldn't hang. The characters and interactions never gelled for me. The only characters I really liked were Phlox and Trip.

Even Scott B disappointed me, I always liked him in Quantum Leap, but he always seemed to be over acting. Just my opinion but I think it failed because it just wasn't very good.
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*It just seemed like they were attempting to polish a turd.*
You might consider rethinking this old saw.
I remember this episode of Mythbusters and it was pretty funny:

http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-polishing-a-turd.html
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I liked the theme song and the difference they did there but I hated the show's abuse of canon and gratitous naked bodies flying around like this was 902.10 Trek.
I liked that they tried something different with the theme song, I just didn't like what they came up with. Of course I never really liked the TMP/TNG Goldstein theme- too martial for my taste. My favorites are Voyager's and TOS'.

The gratuitous naked bodies? They were alright to pass the time till Manny Coto came along.
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Old 04-03-2009, 09:51 AM
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Even Scott B disappointed me, I always liked him in Quantum Leap, but he always seemed to be over acting. Just my opinion but I think it failed because it just wasn't very good.
I felt exactly the same, I was really excited when he was announced but then seeing him play the part - I don't know if it was the writing, his acting choices, direction - whatever it was, but I didn't warm to him in the role.
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Old 04-03-2009, 10:37 AM
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Concerning Bakula's portrayal of Archer, I understand that many people don't like it and feel that he overacts. I felt so too for quite some time but after I got used to it, it seemed very natural to have a captain who has not been through specific training, after all he is the very first human captain in deep space. It's not like he can go by the book, as no book about how to make first contact, how to deal with hostile aliens, etc. has been written yet.
He also conveyed the excitement of exploration which got a little lost in the previous shows.
It's intresting.
My perceptions rarely change unless I see progress. To me intolerable is always intolerable no matter how many times it's said, seen or written.

Archer was Military.
The Military has decorum. A decorated officer of captain knows his place and barking down diplomats (alien or not) in front of top brass is a big no,no. It makes me wonder how he got to his rank.

When it comes to politics and military knowing your place is pivotable to your carreer. Star Fleet was played to fast an loose to be based off a Earth Military. Ever been on a sub? It's yes, sir, no sir and aye aye sir. He didn't hold himself up like a military officer either.

I thought that would have made the show more intresting. Star Fleet was to be a meshing of civilian and military intresting. Weapon officers Captains in the same system with scientist linguist and perhaps politicians. The conflict that would have made would have been EXCELLENT.

Perhaps even make the character more intresting.

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I liked that they tried something different with the theme song, I just didn't like what they came up with. Of course I never really liked the TMP/TNG Goldstein theme- too martial for my taste. My favorites are Voyager's and TOS'.
I dinna hate TNG...but after 15 years....ENOUGH ALREADY. Stop the madness. PLEASE. Voyager's was the Best to me as well as DS9.

I think the could have done an original song by any one but not Rod Stewart....no that was bad.

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*It just seemed like they were attempting to polish a turd.*
You might consider rethinking this old saw.
I remember this episode of Mythbusters and it was pretty funny:

http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-polishing-a-turd.html
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It just seemed like they were attempting to polish a turd. I really wanted to like it, like I said. It just felt like retread after retread and very little original thinking. I think the best episodes were perceived as such because they dealt with canon and familiar themes from our past recollections of the best Treks, and it was all nostalgic. When the show attempted originality it fell way flat. I have seen every episode of the series and would not lose one minutes sleep if I never saw them again.

Never forget that CGI Gorn, I was so embarrassed and no one was even watching.

Jotting down Notes:
Category: Use of colorful metaphors

1.Polishing a turd: The process of attempting to enduce a reflective smooth surface from a congealed mass of fecal matter....Fascinating....
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It is true we play up the 4th season because they finally got "back to their roots".
The episodes were genuinely good and favorited but you are correct that they were not original. Yet they were creative.
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