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Old 01-23-2009, 05:49 PM
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I've subscribed to the parallel universe thing from the beginning (which is how I'm looking at it). If this movie gets the wife to go with me and turns her on to Trek, then I'm all for it!

At this point, I want a good story. I want flip-open communicators and the like. I'm not in love with the new phasers, tricorders and such, but hey, I can live with it because TOS DOES look like the '60's. I am actually looking forward to the reimagining!

I've been a Trekkie since the early '70's... The Enterprise of TOS is classic. The TOS transporter effect was the best effect of ANY generation. But Trek is all about the story... everything else is secondary.

Back in '87, we thought we didn't need a next generation. But look at what happened to Trek as a result of TNG.

At this point, too, it doesn't matter what you and I think. The film is done and in the can. Deal with it. None of us can change things... we never could... so go see it or don't.

You know, I was on the "Daniel Craig Hate Wagon" when he was cast as 007. No way I was going to see "Casino Royale". I'm a die-hard Bond fan. I broke down and saw it. Twice. Several more times on DVD. The Bond franchise NEEDED a reboot and reimagining. I enjoyed "Quantum of Solace", too. Craig is actually the best Bond in a long time... despite his stature and blonde hair. I'm going into the new Trek movie with the same attitude.... an open mind.

I may just like it!
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Old 01-23-2009, 08:18 PM
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I don't see it as him declaring that the movie is a "parallel universe". I think he's just saying that if the diehards want to see it as a parallel, they can.

He does make a point of saying that it all comes down to the end result. No matter how Kirk got to be who he is (serving on the Faragut or not), he is still the same Kirk.
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Old 01-23-2009, 11:20 PM
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Of course we all want a good story. But, what I'm saying is that this is not an alternate timeline story. That was a move to appease the fans. Again, when the wrong is righted in this story, will everything go back to the TOS storyline, ship appearance, etc? No. That shows that this was not conceived that way originally. That's my point. It was just a cheesy way to get the die hards in to the theater. To reiterate, I'm the least 'canonist' in here. I coudn't care less. It just seems like a cheap move.....
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Old 01-23-2009, 11:59 PM
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And when have you felt the Trek universe was "weighed down" by canon before this movie came along?
You ask a fair question, and while I know you weren't asking me and my answer may be different from Kevin's, I just wanted to offer something on this.

To answer your question: I think it started to get weighed down more by the fans than the canon issue itself.

Enterprise is an example. While I don't buy into some of the fan theories that part of the reason for its failure was because it didn't follow canon too closely (which I think is really absurd,) it ultimately had some really terrific stories which more or less "broke the rules," (The Borg episode, the Romulans, etc.)

For me, the examples I gave above were stories with arguable canon issues but they were outweighted and pushed to the background by what I considered very good stories in those episodes. Fans were excited to see the Borg Episode and it was really when I think Enterprise started to find its stride. The Xindi Arc was reviting and then Season 4 came along with some brilliance, but some fans care to complain more about the petty canon issues than they do the stories which really takes the fun out of it, and then I think in turn causes Star Trek to be bogged down. Writers can't walk on eggshells all the time.

For the new movie, I wont be at the theater taking notes, though I may take some mental notes of differences, but I am more concerned with the story and that I get my $7.00 worth. The canon stuff should only be just for fun to discuss in the end. Unfortunately though, some seem take it a bit way too far and too serious with the nitpicking, and a couple of people thinking that "This will end Star Trek" because of petty stuff that maybe only a small fraction of the audience will even care about.

For the record, I am not coming down on the entire fanbase. For the most part it seems people are ready for this. It should be a fun adventure, but only if people let it be. One can't have fun or enjoy something if they are only purely in it to find what is wrong with it, otherwise, we should start doing that for ever movie and every series, then we'd end up debunking the whole Trek universe from the start!

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It was just a cheesy way to get the die hards in to the theater. I coudn't care less. It just seems like a cheap move.....
This is how I feel about them using the TOS moniker and characters in the first place.
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Does anyone actually believe this alternate timeline business?

I can't believe what I haven't seen yet. None of us know really how time travel and alternate time lines will fit into this story. I for one and looking forward to what is probably going to be a great Trek story. It has been so long, we really need one. And if this works and new movies are made, I don't care if the ships or gadgets look different. Star Trek will live on for more generations to enjoy. I have heard many non-fans say the trailer looks great. Lets get new viewers in the seats. Today's fans are not enough for sustained survival. We've seen opening weekend numbers crash and burn.

And leathart, don't be insulted bud. They didn't sit around a conference room table and scheme on ways to do cheap stunts or burn people. They sincerely want to revitalize Star Trek.
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Old 01-24-2009, 01:59 AM
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You ask a fair question, and while I know you weren't asking me and my answer may be different from Kevin's, I just wanted to offer something on this.

To answer your question: I think it started to get weighed down more by the fans than the canon issue itself.

Enterprise is an example. While I don't buy into some of the fan theories that part of the reason for its failure was because it didn't follow canon too closely (which I think is really absurd,) it ultimately had some really terrific stories which more or less "broke the rules," (The Borg episode, the Romulans, etc.)

For me, the examples I gave above were stories with arguable canon issues but they were outweighted and pushed to the background by what I considered very good stories in those episodes. Fans were excited to see the Borg Episode and it was really when I think Enterprise started to find its stride. The Xindi Arc was reviting and then Season 4 came along with some brilliance, but some fans care to complain more about the petty canon issues than they do the stories which really takes the fun out of it, and then I think in turn causes Star Trek to be bogged down. Writers can't walk on eggshells all the time.

For the new movie, I wont be at the theater taking notes, though I may take some mental notes of differences, but I am more concerned with the story and that I get my $7.00 worth. The canon stuff should only be just for fun to discuss in the end. Unfortunately though, some seem take it a bit way too far and too serious with the nitpicking, and a couple of people thinking that "This will end Star Trek" because of petty stuff that maybe only a small fraction of the audience will even care about.

For the record, I am not coming down on the entire fanbase. For the most part it seems people are ready for this. It should be a fun adventure, but only if people let it be. One can't have fun or enjoy something if they are only purely in it to find what is wrong with it, otherwise, we should start doing that for ever movie and every series, then we'd end up debunking the whole Trek universe from the start!
That's actually probably a better worded answer than mine!
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