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Old 01-21-2009, 06:50 AM
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You could say it something for both types to appreciate.
One thing that can be truly said is that we all take away from a story what we decide to put into it as well. We all will interpret what we see differently.
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Old 01-21-2009, 07:16 PM
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it is the theme of old that does appeal to me more than the battle.

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The only reason we're alive is because I knew something about these ships that he didn't"

"I'm getting senile."

"Get your command back. Before you become part of this collection."

I only got that after the Nicholas expalined it all.
Well, it is one of the marks of a well-told story: its meaning and relevance expands and unfolds over time and multiple visits.

The 'aging' story of TREK has a totally different impact on a 20 year-old than a 40 year-old. But the 20-something will notice 40 looming close over the horizon and suddenly appreciate its context.

I imagine few fans will be appreciating NEMESIS so well 20 years hence as a life-revealing insight.
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Old 01-22-2009, 05:01 AM
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They really could have done so much with Nemsis.
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Old 01-22-2009, 06:21 AM
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They really could have done so much with Nemsis.
I agree totally
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Picard's age and own sense of mortality was something that was supposed to be a subject in Nemesis (similar to Kirk's in WoK).

Nemesis is simply a case study in why you should not let a "fanboy" do the story. John Logan's work for Gladiator was awesome. It's too bad that he seems to have missed the mark for Nemesis.

I still think Stuart Baird did a great job directing the film.
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The 'aging' story of TREK has a totally different impact on a 20 year-old than a 40 year-old. But the 20-something will notice 40 looming close over the horizon and suddenly appreciate its context.

I imagine few fans will be appreciating NEMESIS so well 20 years hence as a life-revealing insight.
I think that is a valid observation.
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This is a long thread and I'm not reading the whole thing. I just want to make a minor observation, and if someone has already mentioned it somewhere before, I apologize.

Does anyone reckon that there is a lot of similarity, particularly with the warp engines, between JJA's new Enterprise and the Enterprise E? I've recently re-watched Nemesis and Insurrection and I found the similarity quite noticeable.
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They really could have done so much with Nemsis.
No kidding. The first film to really delve into the Romulans and their culture... plenty of material there.

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John Logan's work for Gladiator was awesome. It's too bad that he seems to have missed the mark for Nemesis.

I still think Stuart Baird did a great job directing the film.
I don't know what happened with Logan. His work on Gladiator was good and when I heard he was working on a star trek film I was excited and this is what he gave us! He also wrote the remake of The Time Machine. That's a tough one to watch.

But on the other hand he wrote The Aviator and that's a pretty tight movie. Hit and miss I guess. I also heard he's writing a movie on Abraham Lincoln. Spielberg directing it.

Stuart Baird, that guy can cut a film! He cut Casino Royale, pretty tight. Nemesis was his first time directing I think, don't know if he directed afterwards.
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