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Old 01-20-2009, 06:45 AM
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Oddly enough I wasn't on board with TWOK at first...and to honest I still don't like the all battle story line but it is definitely a good film.
What did you expect Kirk and Khan to do? Settle their differences over tea?...or better yet.

KIRK: Kahn I am laughing at your superior intellect.

KHAN: That's it! I am taking this ship and going home! And I'm telling my mommy on you!
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Old 01-20-2009, 07:25 AM
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What did you expect Kirk and Khan to do? Settle their differences over tea?...or better yet.

KIRK: Kahn I am laughing at your superior intellect.

KHAN: That's it! I am taking this ship and going home! And I'm telling my mommy on you!
More like . . .

KIRK: Khan, I'm laughing at your superior intellect.

KHAN: I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

That's better.
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Old 01-20-2009, 07:58 AM
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I'm just saying it wasn't much of plot, even if it was a plot well executed.
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Old 01-20-2009, 09:36 AM
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I'm just saying it wasn't much of plot, even if it was a plot well executed.
How so? We have an aging hero thinking that he is past his prime and that time is gaining on him. Secondly we have all his collegues and friends seemingly going forward without him and he is just along for the ride. We find out that a evil foe from his past is now free to take revenge against our hero. We find out there is more to our main guy in the fact that his past is producing all kinds of surprises ...like a son from a one time old flame. Kirk is now becoming more a mentor for younger Starfleet officers ...i.e. Saavik. finally a final battle with his past the is the catalyst for both a death and birth of life. Hmmm? I don't know what you could possibly add...to me anything else would be like adding salt to something tha is already tasty.
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Old 01-20-2009, 11:24 AM
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it is the theme of old that does appeal to me more than the battle.

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The only reason we're alive is because I knew something about these ships that he didn't"

"I'm getting senile."

"Get your command back. Before you become part of this collection."

I only got that after the Nicholas expalined it all.
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How so? We have an aging hero thinking that he is past his prime and that time is gaining on him. Secondly we have all his collegues and friends seemingly going forward without him and he is just along for the ride. We find out that a evil foe from his past is now free to take revenge against our hero. We find out there is more to our main guy in the fact that his past is producing all kinds of surprises ...like a son from a one time old flame. Kirk is now becoming more a mentor for younger Starfleet officers ...i.e. Saavik. finally a final battle with his past the is the catalyst for both a death and birth of life. Hmmm? I don't know what you could possibly add...to me anything else would be like adding salt to something tha is already tasty.
Hear, hear!
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it is the theme of old that does appeal to me more than the battle.

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The only reason we're alive is because I knew something about these ships that he didn't"

"I'm getting senile."

"Get your command back. Before you become part of this collection."

I only got that after the Nicholas expalined it all.
Indeed. I never really appreciated it when I was younger, but a couple of years ago I bought the DVD. Seeing it again in my 20s made that 'human aspect' a lot more real and meaningful. Not 'cause I think I'm getting old and tired just yet, but because I'm finally able to relate and understand.
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Might have been not much of a plot, just like Hamlet ain't much more of a plot than, protagonis hesitates, protagonist is decides, protagonist kill eveil uncle.
But TWOK is like Hamlet full of rich themes.

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Old 01-21-2009, 06:15 AM
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Indeed. I never really appreciated it when I was younger, but a couple of years ago I bought the DVD. Seeing it again in my 20s made that 'human aspect' a lot more real and meaningful. Not 'cause I think I'm getting old and tired just yet, but because I'm finally able to relate and understand.
You could say it something for both types to appreciate.
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