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Old 01-01-2009, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Botany Bay View Post
Oversaturation? Oversaturation occurs whenever a show or a franchise gets lazy, repetitive, generic, uninspired, in other terms: Voyager.
Exactly. See also everything else past First Contact.
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Old 01-01-2009, 01:08 PM
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I'd say popularity peaked around the end of Next Generation. That's a time when the Original Series and Next Generation were both respected as iconic television, highly regarded both within and outside science fiction circles.
When All Good Things... aired in my country, in '95 I believe, there was a lot of advertising and excitement leading up to it. Prime-time advertising, and it was played in a prime-time slot on one of the major channels.

DS9, Voyager and Enterprise all started in prime-time on leading channels, but later disappeared, to be relegated to different channels or inferior timeslots.

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Old 01-01-2009, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Seven View Post
Good points. But something else happened.

Over-saturation occurred at this point and one could almost see the beginning of the end. It was difficult to sustain the creative drive; particularly with the same people at the helm. For me, the height of popularity was the of the anticipation of something new emerging. It has occurred a few times during the life of Star Trek. And this fits perfectly with the ten cycle. Here we are.
Yes, there was clear over-saturation from the mid 1990s onwards. But as it was riding the crest of a wave of popularity, you're right in saying it was inevitable.

Originally Posted by Botany Bay View Post
Oversaturation? Oversaturation occurs whenever a show or a franchise gets lazy, repetitive, generic, uninspired, in other terms: Voyager.
I tend to think those elements are a consequence of oversaturation, not a cause of it. To me, there should never have been 2 shows on the air at the same time, it worked very briefly to start with when it was TNG and DS9, but (and I know a lot love it, but I have to give my own opinion here) VOY was a series too far. Again it also was a problem that the same people's names kept cropping up behind the scenes - the creativity was simply diluted by being spread across too many hours of TV to be filled with something. And that was when lazy, repetitive and generic episodes came along too frequently. At least ENT had a shot on it's own, but it did nothing for me, and it still suffered from the same names. It seemed to get better, by all accounts, once the new blood of Manny Coto finally came aboard, it was just a bit too late it seems.
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Old 01-02-2009, 07:55 AM
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Probably about the time Shatner and Stewart hit the cover of Time Magazine.
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Old 01-02-2009, 04:33 PM
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Well I've only watched since 1987, but I do know the history of it pretty well... and I'd say Star Trek was at the top of its game right about the time Roddenberry died... 1991...

25th Anniversary buzz abound... TV specials... Vice President speaking about it highly on TV, Colin Powell visits set of TNG and talks of its great impact on technology of today and social overtones in the stories that tackle real world issues, and how the sets seem less alive with no sound F/X, lol...

Of course that's all rumor as he didn't exactly give a speech from the bridge or anything... etc etc... I may be off a year in one direction or the other, but mainly 1991 was the top to me... though Trek did maintain a certain high level for about 5 more years till 1996ish, and First Contact helped things go up a bit for a very short time. Just my view of it anyways...
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