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Old 12-09-2008, 01:50 AM
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In "The Cage" Captain pike says:

Capt. Pike: "I'm tired of being responsible for 203 lives, and... I'm tired of deciding which mission is too risky and which isn't, and who's going on the landing party and who doesn't... and who lives... and who dies"

Seems like a troubled man, do you think we will see this side of him in the film?

He can also be a tough customer:

Captain Pike: "I'll break out of this zoo somehow and get to you. Is your blood red like ours? I'm gonna find out"

Any word out there on how Bruce Greenwood will play the part? Unsure commander or a man who is tough and sure of himself?

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Old 12-09-2008, 02:18 AM
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Kirk also had such a "Hamlet" moment in Balance of Terror, but I don't see the problem. Anyone with power better questions himself from time to time, it's not pondering but hybris which leads into the abyss (just check your boss or any other CEO or your president or whosoever and compare the "get-something-doneers" and the "thinkers").
As long as you are ready to act while you are in command as captain, as long as your thoughtfulness and introspection does not interfere with your decisiveness, there is no problem. Pike talked about that with his Doc in his quarters, while he was off-duty.

But concerning this movie, I don't think that Pike will get such a moment, first because it has already been done in The Cage and second because this movie is just crammed with characters and unlike in The Cage, Pike is not the main character here.
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Old 12-09-2008, 03:48 AM
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Bruce Greenwood who plays Pike has stated in general terms he knows little to nothing about Star Trek or the characters... he pretty much said something like, "It's a job, I went to work and did my lines and called it a day at the end."

So unless the writers threw lines in there like that I doubt his character will be much to remember... they just kill him off anyways I'm sure... no need to make him bigger than life when you are just gonna blow him outta the captain chair anyways... lol
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Another thing to consider is that Pike was back to his old self at the end of the episode. "The Cage" takes place after a battle on Rigel VII in which several members of his crew was killed--Pike was going through a period of self-doubt because he felt the whole incident could have been avoided had he been wiser. Otherwise, Pike was a pretty tough captain who didn't take crap from no one.

My bet is that Greenwood will play Pike like Obi-Wan Kenobi--the wise sage who offers fatherly advice to the young hero...
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In "The Cage" Captain pike says:

Capt. Pike: "I'm tired of being responsible for 203 lives, and... I'm tired of deciding which mission is too risky and which isn't, and who's going on the landing party and who doesn't... and who lives... and who dies"

Seems like a troubled man, do you think we will see this side of him in the film?

He can also be a tough customer:

Captain Pike: "I'll break out of this zoo somehow and get to you. Is your blood red like ours? I'm gonna find out"

Any word out there on how Bruce Greenwood will play the part? Unsure commander or a man who is tough and sure of himself?
Real people have both, and Trek played it out onscreen in Enemy Within. A good actor can convey the complexities of a character without overtly saying "Here's where I get to be a badass, wink-wink" or "Watch me be all touchy-feely and stuff."

I'm sure he played it exactly like what we've heard in the trailer: wise mentor type and tough-as-nails commander.

Then he went home.
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Is "The Cage" considered "canon"? Considering that it was later re-edited to be "The Menagerie" in season one ST:TOS. I would guess not because it was an unaired pilot but wondered what others felt, especially those that take "canon" seriously.
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I don't think it is... but one could argue it was Gene's first and most original idea put to form... so I dunno for sure...
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I think "The Cage" is canon because Pike's name has been mentioned a few times since "The Menagerie," but thats my opinion.
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"The Cage" by itself was never considered canon because it was actually never shown with the original 79 episodes of TOS during its initial NBC run or during its many years in second-run syndication (aside from home video, it would only be finally seen in its original uncut form decades later during an anniversary special celebrating TOS).

What was shown in "The Menagerie," however, was always considered canon.
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"The Cage" by itself was never considered canon because it was actually never shown with the original 79 episodes of TOS during its initial NBC run or during its many years in second-run syndication (aside from home video, it would only be finally seen in its original uncut form decades later during an anniversary special celebrating TOS).

What was shown in "The Menagerie," however, was always considered canon.
That is a great answer. Thank You, it makes total sense. With what they eedited out of "The Cage" to use in "The Menagerie" it completely elminated "The Cage" as a story.

On another note, when I saw the "Menagerie" I wondered why Nurse Chapel lost her job as a bridge officer and ended up working for Bones! And, Why was spock as smiley as he was years ago under Pike's command.
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