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Old 12-01-2008, 09:25 PM
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I think it would be cool but not necessary. George Kirk is in it so why not Sybock? Was Sybok was one piece of 'apocrypha' identified by Roddenberry? And what is "apocrypha"?
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Old 12-01-2008, 09:46 PM
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Apochrypha, like canon, is a religious concept. The Bible was honed over the centuries, as church scholars analysed and debated different texts. Some were found to be inconsistent with the rest, and deemed apochryphal - not part of the true story, or 'canon', told in the rest of the works.
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Old 12-02-2008, 07:17 AM
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Along those lines...I must now ask...
Why would anyone care?

Is this another canon question?
Not really. We know that Sybok existed; but we also know that we shall probably see hide nor hair of him again.


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Old 12-02-2008, 08:29 AM
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I would not mind seeing him if they actually had a story to tell about him which is significant for Spock or the overall plot. But obviously they had none, so he is not in.
Very astute.
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The story of Sybock and Spock is not unlike the story of Ishmael and Isaac from the Bible. Sybock was kept at a very long distance from the fam.


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Sybok mother died when he was a small child than Sarek married Amanda and had Spock. By this time in the movie Sybok would be in his exile from Vulcan. Sybok was a few years older than Spock who was a young adult in the film. In the Final frontier spock did not recognise Sybok at first, only when Sybok told him who he was did spock remember him.
Spock believes he recognizes Sybok when he first sees the transmission, but is initially not sure, then later, "not prepared to discuss matters of a personal nature". It is clear, however that Sybok and Spock were raised in the same household. LINK TO SCRIPT
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SYBOK
I deeply regret this desperate act but
these are desperate times. I have no
desire to harm these innocents but do
not put me to the test. I implore you
to respond within twenty-four hours.

End of transmission. Spock strides to Uhura's console.
He backwinds the tape and freeze frames on Sybok's
face. It's blurry, indistinct. Spock is transfixed by
the image.

KIRK
(concerned)
What is it, Spock? You look like
you've just seen a ghost.

SPOCK
Captain... perhaps I have.

{snip}


SPOCK
I cannot be sure.

KIRK
But he does seem familiar.

SPOCK
He reminds me of someone I knew in
my youth.

McCOY
Why, Spock, I didn't know you had one.

SPOCK
I do not often think of the past.

KIRK
(gently)
Spock, who is it he reminds you of?

SPOCK
(through the haze of
memory)
There was a young student... except-
ionally gifted... possessing great
intelligence. It was assumed that
one day he would take his place
amongst the great scholars of Vulcan.
But he was a revolutionary.

KIRK
What do you mean?

SPOCK
The knowledge and experience he sought
were forbidden by Vulcan belief.

KIRK
Forbidden?

SPOCK
He rejected his logical upbringing
and embraced the animal passions of
our ancestors.

KIRK
Why?

SPOCK
He believed that the key to self-
knowledge was emotion... not logic.

McCOY
Imagine that. A passionate Vulcan.

SPOCK
When he encouraged others to follow
him, he was banished from Vulcan,
never to return.


{ship}
McCOY
Let me get this straight. You and
Sybok have the same father but
different mothers.

SPOCK
That is correct. Sybok's mother
was a Vulcan princess. After her
death, Sybok and I were raised as
brothers.


KIRK
But why didn't you tell us this
before?

SPOCK
I was not prepared to discuss...
matters of a personal nature. For
that I am sorry.
It would be perfectly reasonable for Sybok to be shown. Or, perhaps he'll be mentioned when Spock is before that tribunal we see in the trailer...maybe the Vuclan counsel will express hope he doesn't follow his brother's example.
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Old 12-02-2008, 10:49 AM
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If I understand you correctly, Sybok could explain why Sarek is so upset about Spock's desire to leave Vulcan and join Starfleet, the fear that his son will become more human on Earth and thus more like his other son.
Might be something there.
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Old 12-02-2008, 11:09 AM
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Yeah, I think that could easily be it. Or, since Sybok was actively banished from Vulcan, the Vulcan counsel itself might question Spock on whether he too, intends to disregard his Vulcan heritage.

That might go a long way to explaining why the half human Spock was always so "uber Vulcan" even when living amongst humans.
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Old 12-02-2008, 02:41 PM
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Very astute.
It is good to see intelligent commenary on the subject.
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