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Old 11-26-2008, 05:04 PM
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There is a difference between change and demolition, TNG did not seek to invalidate TOS, thats why it was set a century ahead of the original series so there would be no conflicts with anything new they chose to introduce...such as a new ship design for example, so I don't think this is a conflict quite like that. This is a conflict between those who would prefer that Star Trek break from its established story lines, and those who would prefer that it remain true to them. I think the problem for a lot of people is that this does not seem to be a story set within what we now know as The Star Trek Univere, prequilic in nature or not. This seems to be a story setting up an entirely NEW universe that is now supposed to be the star trek universe and for those of us who grew up with the old one for 20, 30, 40+ years that's a hard and sometimes bitter pill to swallow especially since unlike something like Battle Star, the current Star Trek Universe has been growing and expanding for those 40+ years.
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Old 11-26-2008, 05:12 PM
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I think after Nemesis, there was a looming feeling that the end of ST was not an impossibility after all... hopefully after ST X1 is in our rear view mirror, it'll contnue a long life. I chose to relax as well. & I myself Do care what William Shatner has to say. He brought the Cptn. Kirk to life we all know & love. The whole TOS cast was the perfect balance!
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There is a difference between change and demolition, TNG did not seek to invalidate TOS, thats why it was set a century ahead of the original series so there would be no conflicts with anything new they chose to introduce...such as a new ship design for example, so I don't think this is a conflict quite like that. This is a conflict between those who would prefer that Star Trek break from its established story lines, and those who would prefer that it remain true to them. I think the problem for a lot of people is that this does not seem to be a story set within what we now know as The Star Trek Univere, prequilic in nature or not. This seems to be a story setting up an entirely NEW universe that is now supposed to be the star trek universe and for those of us who grew up with the old one for 20, 30, 40+ years that's a hard and sometimes bitter pill to swallow especially since unlike something like Battle Star, the current Star Trek Universe has been growing and expanding for 40+ years.
you put that very well,
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1. Stress can cause ulcers.
2. Stree can cause diahrea, which is painful and annoying.
3. Star Trek is fiction--GET OVER THE CHANGES PURISTS.
4. Worrying about a Star Trek movie when there is terrorism, starvation, economic problems and other more important things going on in the world is just ignorant.

There you go. I give you 4 reasons.
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Really that's the bottom line. Star Trek is fiction. Canon is relative. Consistency Schmonsistency. This sort anal retantiveness did not stop Peter Jackson (LotR) why should it stop Abrams. We need a story that preserves Rodenberry's vision and main characters we've come to love and theme of discovering frontiers in space.

Abrams did not throw canon out the window. Even details. Is Kirk still from Iowa? Does Spock have a human mom?

We're squabbling over Kirk's driving and age.

Really it's creepy how some of you treat Star Trek canon like a history textbook. It seems like to many of you, Kirk's age during ship construction is more important than who the first president of the United States of America is! It's disturbing really!
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1. Stress can cause ulcers.
2. Stree can cause diahrea, which is painful and annoying.
3. Star Trek is fiction--GET OVER THE CHANGES PURISTS.
4. Worrying about a Star Trek movie when there is terrorism, starvation, economic problems and other more important things going on in the world is just ignorant.

There you go. I give you 4 reasons.
You know i'm sure there are things your passionate about that some people would consider an ignorant waste of time, but that doesn't stop you from being passionate about them does it. Please don't assume that just because we are passionate about something, (star trek) that we are also ignorant, Thank you.
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You know i'm sure there are things your passionate about that some people would consider an ignorant waste of time, but that doesn't stop you from being passionate about them does it. Please don't assume that just because we are passionate about something, (star trek) that we are also ignorant, Thank you.
Passionate is one thing. I consider myself pretty passionate about Star Trek. But when it turns into anal retention, then it becomes a problem.
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Appeals to authority. I have one single better reason for fans to relax:

1. It Doesn't Matter. If Abrams succeeds with this, Star Trek going forward won't be the Star Trek that brought everyone here to talk about this project back when nobody knew anything about it.

That Star Trek is dead.

If you can learn to love the new one, great. If you can't, well... the one you loved this whole time has been gone awhile anyway. In the end, whether the new franchise sink or swim, the classic franchise is dead.

Nothing more to worry about.

i may sound cruel and harsh but the old star trek must , i repeat must die to be reborn like the phoenix from its ashes,like kirk said in trek 6 , people afraid of change
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i may sound cruel and harsh but the old star trek must , i repeat must die to be reborn like the phoenix from its ashes,like kirk said in trek 6 , people afraid of change
"Resistance is NOT futile!" Hugh

Or to paraphrase Charleton Heston. "You'll have to pull TOS from my cold dead hands."
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You know your right, there is no point arguing about this, I'm not going to change your view, and only seeing the movie and judging for myself will dispel whatever trepidations I and other (canonites, canonistas, whatever it is you chose to call us) may have. I'm tired of arguing. All the great stories of the world maintain internal plot and character consistency, and that's all I care about. Although I wish to point out that LOTR is a bad example, as the core storyline of LOTR is housed in JRR tolkeins books the filmic reinterpretation by Peter Jackson does not really overwrite the internal plot and character consistency of Tolkien's books. However since Trek's main storyline is contained within films and television seri, any aditional material shot and reinterpretation thereof has a direct plot revising impact on whatever came before it.
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