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Old 11-19-2008, 07:09 PM
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The name ''Robin'' was revealed to me by someone well read in the various Star Trek novels. I then decided to give her a last name and make her Jonathan Archer's granddaughter.

I also gave her credit for mounting a daring rescue of Captain Pike and landing party when they were trapped in the Kaylar fortress as described in TOS ''The Cage.'' In some ways, she is one of the most intriguing and least explored characters of the TOS era.

Anyone interested in more Robin Archer/''Number One'' can click on my signature/banner below as indicated and get the ''retired'' screenplay or go to the Soldiers of Pawns thread here. It makes for a great Thanksgiving long holiday weekend read by the fireplace and just might provide a ''fix'' to get you by until next summer's movie.
Thats very interesting, I love the opening! Where can i get the whole story? I am very sorry for the loss of your brother. How long has he been gone? Were you twins? Best of luck in all your endeavours.
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Old 11-19-2008, 07:56 PM
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Not likely. If he had been XO under Pike he would not have been demoted when Kirk took command. And in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" Gary Mitchell was Kirk's XO, not Spock.

As for Kirk and Pike both being on the Enterprise, if you watch the scene in the trailer where Pike is ordering all weapons you can see Kirk standing behind him.
What makes you so sure he was the XO?
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Old 11-19-2008, 10:15 PM
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I'm not too happy about this either. The whole idea of cadets practically manning the entire ship shortly after graduation....I mean, the Enterprise has always been considered "The" ship to be on, the flagship. Would you want a bunch of kids running the ship? I had hoped for a little more when it comes to the origin of the crew. This sounds a bit too thrown together.

I am back to being unhappy about this movie. Sure it might be cool. But even I don't like some of these canon issues. Wasn't there supposed to a "hardcore trekker" on the writing team? I wonder what "hardcore" means to them. He's probably watched a couple of the movies twice!!! OOOoooo....that's hardcore!
I wouldn't get so down on this movie just yet. In fact, I’d give it a good two or three watchings before passing judgment.

First, while the reports from the paparazzi at the on-campus shoot were that it was Starfleet Academy footage being shot, I read on one of the Star Trek news sites lately that


Second, the word is “trekkie;” Gene coined it.

Third, there were hardcore trekkies all over the production of this movie—even Mike & Denise were consultants—so I wouldn't worry about canon woes, but if you or I or anyone else has any after he has seen the movie, then I’m sure that JJ et. al. would be reasonably willing to discuss them, if not here on the forums then elsewhere.
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Old 11-20-2008, 07:07 AM
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What makes you so sure he was the XO?
You know, now that you ask I don't remember. Possibly the original "The Making of Star Trek" book which I don't even have anymore. It goes way back to the '70s. Here is the extract from Memory Alpha:

"It has also been argued that Mitchell was indeed the First Officer of the Enterprise, and that Spock was granted that role in addition to his post as Science Officer following the death of Mitchell in the aftermath of the encounter with the galactic barrier. Under Captain Christopher Pike, Number One had been his Executive Officer with Spock as the Science Officer; Spock likely continued in that post after command was transferred from Pike to Kirk, with Kirk naming his own Executive Officer in the person of his trusted friend, Gary Mitchell. Spock's later promotion from Lieutenant Commander to full Commander may have been in response to his increased responsibilities from occupying two crucial starship command positions."

If I can find an authoritative statement about who was XO I will post it. It's just something I remembered from a long way back.
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:48 AM
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You know, now that you ask I don't remember. Possibly the original "The Making of Star Trek" book which I don't even have anymore. It goes way back to the '70s. Here is the extract from Memory Alpha:

"It has also been argued that Mitchell was indeed the First Officer of the Enterprise, and that Spock was granted that role in addition to his post as Science Officer following the death of Mitchell in the aftermath of the encounter with the galactic barrier. Under Captain Christopher Pike, Number One had been his Executive Officer with Spock as the Science Officer; Spock likely continued in that post after command was transferred from Pike to Kirk, with Kirk naming his own Executive Officer in the person of his trusted friend, Gary Mitchell. Spock's later promotion from Lieutenant Commander to full Commander may have been in response to his increased responsibilities from occupying two crucial starship command positions."

If I can find an authoritative statement about who was XO I will post it. It's just something I remembered from a long way back.

That all seems very plausable. That's the way I always felt about it. I often wondered about the continuity error in The Man Trap when Spock is introduced as a Lt. Commander but is wearing full Commander rank on his uniform.
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I am a huge fan of the Connery Bond movies.
With the Craig re-boot I was quite happy and just don't worry about things matching up
in the two timelines. Casino Royale was really good but I don't say well it really messes up Dr. No or From Russia With Love.
We are getting new TREK and I will just enjoy it for what it is. If the movie is good I will be happy and watch the future ones. If I don't like it then I won't see the future ones.
To criss cross all the continuity so it lines up perfect really is not possible especially if they are really starting at ground zero with the crew.
I've been a TREK fan for over 30 years and am not losing sleep over what we are getting.
The bond movies are a bit different. Casino Royale is based on what is widely considered to be the FIRST book with James Bond (007) in it. The Craig re-boot was closer to the originial concept of Bond than the originial movies. I have read several of Ian Flemmings books even though Casino Royale was what is considered today as a bad book. It was a begining for the Bond story. Bond was never ment to be a "one liner" cracking machine, with the assistance of fantastic gadgets that, at that time, were par for the times. (Being caught up in the middle of the coldwar and space being new and exciting, I belive it was dubbed, "The World of Tomarow.") The movie directors of those Bond movies used this to their advantage, and wrote them into the script. Ian Flemming did adjust the Bond charecter to fit the movies more in his later books, but Bond in the books and in the movies never was as much of a cheesey one liner as the one in the movies. He was a wise a--, but not cheesey.


If Abrams were doing a reboot of Star Trek and trying to get closer to the Roddenberry dream then I wouldnt have a problem with it. But seeing the previews and pictures, its looking more like he is just throwing all the work that Gene Roddenberry did, out a torpedo tube. This is where most of the "canonites" have a problem. Its very insulting to a man who had a wonderful dream, and managed to pull it off. When it comes to Sci-fi, Roddenberry, Lucas, and Spielburg, are considered amoungst the greats in directing, and writing. Dont mess with thier legacy.
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Old 11-21-2008, 12:39 PM
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If we were to stick to canon we would have Spock yelling his lines over to every on like he did in "The Cage" Personally I can live with the minor "whoopsies" in canon. Dang I am tired of that word. Just go an see the friggin' movie five darn times people! Like you have done for every other Trek Movie.
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I am a huge fan of the Connery Bond movies.
With the Craig re-boot I was quite happy and just don't worry about things matching up
in the two timelines. Casino Royale was really good but I don't say well it really messes up Dr. No or From Russia With Love.
We are getting new TREK and I will just enjoy it for what it is. If the movie is good I will be happy and watch the future ones. If I don't like it then I won't see the future ones.
To criss cross all the continuity so it lines up perfect really is not possible especially if they are really starting at ground zero with the crew.
I've been a TREK fan for over 30 years and am not losing sleep over what we are getting.
I feel the same way. Well said and right on the mark! HELLO---this is fiction folks!! I'm a huge ST fan since the TOS was released, but I don't get hung up on such little crap. I think JJ is going to dazzle us with what he has done with ST. Give it a chance and get off the canon train, folks.
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Just go an see the friggin' movie five darn times people! Like you have done for every other Trek Movie.
I have to ask, what's your personal investment in urging those of us who don't like where this is going to go see it anyway? I'm not going. I'm not asking you or anyone else to stay home. Is there any particular reason why you're so intent on spending my money?
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