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View Poll Results: What do you think about the Enterprise details?
Don't like the saucer. 1 0.93%
Don't like the neck. 21 19.63%
Don't like the engineering section. 24 22.43%
Don't like the pylons. 18 16.82%
Don't like the nacelles. 27 25.23%
Everything looks great. 55 51.40%
The entire ship doesn't deserve the name. 12 11.21%
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Old 11-16-2008, 09:20 AM
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Remember, Star Trek is all about the story, and the technology is there to enhanced the experiences. Yes, I'm a little sad that they didn't go with the original design, but come one people look at what they are doing. They opened Trek's depth of field way up. Instead of only seeing a small future, we now have a massive world to explore. More stories of other ships to be told, and a massive push towards expanding the Star Trek franchise. This is going to be great!
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Old 11-16-2008, 10:36 AM
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Sure, it's not "hate" in the literal sense
I just don't like the pylons. Got used to the nacelles and the secondary hull. The saucer was the best thing - never had a problem with that
See, "I don't like" is much better
I understand that ships are important too a lot of people, for me it is a place to tell a story.
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Old 11-16-2008, 10:39 AM
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Remember, Star Trek is all about the story, and the technology is there to enhanced the experiences. Yes, I'm a little sad that they didn't go with the original design, but come one people look at what they are doing. They opened Trek's depth of field way up. Instead of only seeing a small future, we now have a massive world to explore. More stories of other ships to be told, and a massive push towards expanding the Star Trek franchise. This is going to be great!


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Old 11-16-2008, 12:19 PM
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I'm going to wait and see - if I'm sold on the movie, I'll adjust to the look of the new ship. I remember going to see The Motion Picture when it first came out in 1979, and feeling a real sense of disconnect between the series and the film - the special effects were too good, the ship was too modified, and I came away thinking that they couldn't really be part of the same storyline. Of course, I got over it - after all, the cast was the same, and - crucially - the story took place AFTER the events of the series, rather than before.

What I'm having trouble visualizing, given the images we've seen, is how the ship from the new movie gets "upgraded" at some later point into the original 1960s Matt Jefferies design. It would have to be simplified, the engines made smaller, the pylons straightened, and so on - and those would have to be improvements of some sort. That goes for the inside as well - the movie bridge not only looks newer and more advanced, but a hell of a lot bigger. So how do we fit the two together? (Or if - despite Abrams' insistence - this is in fact a complete reboot, do we really need to try?)
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Old 11-16-2008, 12:44 PM
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I think that it is not so much a "reboot" as an "upgrade." They needed to make the new E look as if it were really from the 23rd century. To do that, the old designs had to be left behind for the most part. The new E is loosely based on the original, but still has the same spirit. One of the most important things today is believability. People just want to look at something on screen and say "yeah, I think that could work." The original, although a very nice design that I enjoy to this day, is not very believable in today's mindset. I think JJ took this into account when he ok'ed the design for this E. I think what will happen is that this new Enterprise will be the "original" and later, maybe 3-4 movies down the line (depending on if we get that far), another Enterprise will be made that is supposed to be the "refit" version that looks very much like TMP E only with upgrades as well.
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Old 11-16-2008, 12:45 PM
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Smaller nacelles later make sense because of advancing technology.
Also the large bridge fits in the Cage version... one detail that I'm happy with (the bridge dome was larger in the pilots)
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Old 11-16-2008, 12:49 PM
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Saucer is the only thing that looks good.
The Nacelles are okay...I don't hate them...but they don't match the saucer.
The Engineering hull is like a squat version of the original and it doesn't match the saucer at all. There is a lot of imbalancce between the positioning of the nacelles....

Ultimately it feels like the wrong saucer for the rest of the ship
Or the wrong secondary hull for the saucer.
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Old 11-16-2008, 12:51 PM
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So far everyone likes the saucer.
This brings me to a wonderful theory: A saucer separation occurs. The saucer survives, but the rest has to be rebuilt...
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Old 11-16-2008, 01:09 PM
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There is an increasing tradition of the Enterprise being trashed in each film (TWOK, TSFS, TUC, GEN, FC, INSURECTION and NEMESIS all feature various levels of bashing up or total destruction) so I, for one, do not discount that possibility!
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Old 11-16-2008, 02:42 PM
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For me, the pylons and nacelles tie for worst, but while we're at it, the secondary hull is all out of proportion. The neck I can live with and frankly I always thought the neck of the original model was too flimsy to really work. Hey, even in space there are Newtonian forces to be reconciled with an a skinny (to paraphrase Fred Blasse) pencil-neck just won't cut it. Saucer is OK- probably the best part of it.

Look, I just can't see them putting so much effort and hype into this model to just trash it in the course of the film and surprise us with a different one later on. The Enterprise from TOS will never be seen on film again- it just wouldn't make any sense after this one.

Again, I'm not as disturbed by the ship as I am by the historical changes made in the storyline. If we are to accept those changes, then the ship should be the least of our concerns.
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