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Old 09-03-2009, 11:51 AM
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Default How did the movie show Kirk and Spock become friends?

The movie was billed as showing how the crew came to be on the Enterprise and that it did. It was also supposed to show how Kirk and Spock (and McCoy too) became friends.

Did it really show that? If so how?
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:56 AM
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This is interesting, because I don't feel the film showed that. However, what it did show was - in the case of Spock and Kirk, their journey to respecting one another as individuals and learning how to blend their particular abilities into an early relationship that will ultimately become the friendship they later had.

McCoy is also shown to play a part in this, but quite correctly, is always closer to Kirk than Spock. This was true of TOS, and so it will take a bit of time for that actual friendship to develop.
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:57 AM
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I also sometimes fall asleep in the theatre. It's no shame to admit it.

But seriously, you can't have missed how Spock and Kirk slowly start to become friends, that's all the movie was about.
One could complain that McCoy did not get a lot of screentime and that he had only one scene with Spock, but he did not have much more in previous Trek movies either. I doubt that it was possible to squeeze a third friendship (Kirk-Spock and Kirk-Bones were covered) into one movie.
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I also sometimes fall asleep in the theatre. It's no shame to admit it.

But seriously, you can't have missed how Spock and Kirk slowly start to become friends, that's all the movie was about.
One could complain that McCoy did not get a lot of screentime and that he had only one scene with Spock, but he did not have much more in previous Trek movies either. I doubt that it was possible to squeeze a third friendship (Kirk-Spock and Kirk-Bones were covered) into one movie.
The beginning to the Kirk-Bones friendship was clear, as it was apparant when Bones "snuck" Kirk onto the Enterprise. As for Kirk-Spock, I feel that the movie left them at the starting point of their friendship: as persons realizing that fate had put them together for a bigger purpose. There will be other adventures to further develop/mature their bond, as well the Bones-Spock friendship.
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Prime Spock told him about the friendship that will change his life "in ways you cannot yet realize".
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Can anyone point to specific scenes or lines of dialog to support their opinions?

For instance, one interpretation could be that Spock began to respect Kirk during their argument about the Kobiashi Maru. But that could be just me reading into the scene my preconceptions based on prior knowledge of Star Trek.

Also the initial scene of Kirk and McCoy on the shuttle gives an impression that they share a bond. What that bond is isn't clear. But the movie jumps forward in time to a point when they are friends and doesn't really show how the become friends or show the basis of their friendship.

What in the movie shows, to the uninitiated, Kirk and Spock (and McCoy) becoming friends.
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Either you are trolling or really slept in the theatre.
That's not a good argument, so I guess you're trolling.
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That's not a good argument, so I guess you're trolling.
Your question is as dumb as asking something like "How did TUC show that Kirk overcame his hatred for Klingons?". An appropriate answer is: "Watch the movie, it's all in there.".
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Your question is as dumb as asking something like "How did TUC show that Kirk overcame his hatred for Klingons?". An appropriate answer is: "Watch the movie, it's all in there.".
I did and it wasn't. It's there in a eus ex machina sense in that they didn't like each other and the beginning and they did (sort of) at the end. But there wasn't really much to show why there was that change.

Kirk challenges Spock throughout the movie and Kirk is right one most of the challenges, but that's not really something on which a friendship is based.

If it's really in the movie, it should be easy enough to point out . . .
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