[Admiral Archer]

Okay, I know I'm gonna piss some people off, but here goes:

I was just flipping through the channels today, and managed to catch a couple episodes of ENTERPRISE on Sci-Fi. And, after not having watched it in a long time, I can safely say I had forgotten how truly AWESOME it is!

Now to explain why I like Enterprise as much as I do, because after TOS and TNG, it is my favorite STAR TREK series ever made. And here's why:

THE CREW: OMG, they are PERFECT! A crew this good hasn't come out since TNG, and I mean that 100%. Archer is obviously an honest-to-goodness explorer, with the heart of Picard and the rough-and-tumble nature of Kirk. T'pol is pretty much a female Spock, which means she's a GREAT character. Trip, oh good Lord, is AWESOME, the best Engineer since Scotty, if only because of how much like Scotty he is, with all the loveable county humor of Bones. Everyone else is perfect merely for being new and fresh, after a series of not-so-fresh characters.

THE SHIP: IT'S THE F***ING ENTERPRISE!!! Finally, we have a show that brings back the big 'E'. True, the design is different (and a cool design I must say, despite sharing similarities with the Akira-class) but the name is the same. It fits, and to me, Star Trek isn't Star Trek without a starship named Enterprise.

THE STORY: I think the idea of a story about "how it all came to be" was incredible, very original, and better than any idea that either you or I could have thought up. No offense, but I was getting tired of the same old, same old. True, ENTERPRISE had it's slip-ups, but didn't every show, at some point or other? (And some more than others)

I must say, to me DEEP SPACE NINE and VOYAGER are good concepts, but they are not good series, and they are NOT Star Trek. ENTERPRISE screamed true-blue Star Trek to me, in a way that Cardassian Space Stations and flying spoons didn't.

And at least ENTERPRISE had the humility to leave the title of TREK off, when the other two shows didn't. In my book, it deserved it ten-times better than the others.

Let the hate mail begin...

[Chris Fawkes]

I never liked it. Except for Jolene Balok but even she was not enough to hold me as a viewer.
That bad.

[Saquist]

You're wrong Archer...they put the title Trek on the show at the end because fans were saying that meant it wasn't actually Star Trek.The show was bland. All the characters were unintresting except for Mayweather and they never developed him

[Livingston]

The best thing about Enterprise, I thought, was Trip. I thought the actor was great and the character was loose. I always felt the others were trying to fill someone else's shoes, maybe Gene Rodenberry's, to try to give us a new crew worthy of a new Enterprise, but to me it never quite clicked. Trip was the only character that seemed his own entity. I thought Archer had potential but he just never connected with the rest of the crew. In fact, the crew never connected and I think that was its first fault. Perhaps it was miscast. The actors are really quite good, they just never seemed to gel as a crew to me, that may be direction, writing, or just bad casting, but I do firmly believe the show's primary failings are in the casting. I'm not saying Bakula wouldn't be a good Captain, he had potential, I just think the rest of the crew were miscast.

It's like a bad band. If you have a bad band with a good drummer, you can still pull it off. Even if you have a show with not so great writing, you can still pull it off with decent casting in my opinion. Enterprise just didn't seem cast right to me.

Saquist, you liked Mayweather best? Really?

[starbase63]

Originally Posted by Saquist

You're wrong Archer...they put the title Trek on the show at the end because fans were saying that meant it wasn't actually Star Trek.The show was bland. All the characters were unintresting except for Mayweather and they never developed him

It was Star Trek all along...TPTB figured by that point people would be smart enough to recognize it was a Star Trek series without it having to be in the title. ESPECIALLY since what was the next thing you saw after the title "Enterprise"? You saw "Based upon 'Star Trek' Created by Gene Roddenberry." Guess the fans who complained either missed that or it wasn't enough.

Then again, how many people over the years have asked "Who sings the title song?" when it's in the episode credits after the episode title of every single installment of the series?

[Saquist]

Originally Posted by starbase63

It was Star Trek all along...TPTB figured by that point people would be smart enough to recognize it was a Star Trek series without it having to be in the title. ESPECIALLY since what was the next thing you saw after the title "Enterprise"? You saw "Based upon 'Star Trek' Created by Gene Roddenberry." Guess the fans who complained either missed that or it wasn't enough.

Then again, how many people over the years have asked "Who sings the title song?" when it's in the episode credits after the episode title of every single installment of the series?

Not nearly alike. They new it was supposed to be trek they just didn't recognize it as trek but cause it didn't seem to have any semblance of Trek and the fans were regecting it loudly.

So them like myself held out that perhaps this was some sort of off shoot but not actually trek. Unfortunantly they pasted that on the title just to be defiant to the wishes of the fans.

[Damage75]

Originally Posted by Saquist

Not nearly alike. They new it was supposed to be trek they just didn't recognize it as trek but cause it didn't seem to have any semblance of Trek and the fans were regecting it loudly.

So them like myself held out that perhaps this was some sort of off shoot but not actually trek. Unfortunantly they pasted that on the title just to be defiant to the wishes of the fans.

Again, anybody who would like to see this nonsense he spews shredded should see the thread I mentioned above.

And again Saquist, why won't you respond to that thread?

[Beetlescott]

Originally Posted by Saquist

You're wrong Archer...they put the title Trek on the show at the end because fans were saying that meant it wasn't actually Star Trek.The show was bland. All the characters were unintresting except for Mayweather and they never developed him

Respectively Saquist, this is another time you are DEAD WRONG! my friend. Enterprise was anything but Bland. I was like you at first, I passed it off as uninteresting and didn't even give it a chance. But when I did decide to give it a chance, (someone on Star Trek.com sent me a copy of season one for free) I fell in love with it! Enterprise is as exciting as TOS or any of the shows!!! I can't get enough of it. I have talked with several differnt fans of the old series and they are watching ENT for the first time on SciFi and they are loving it. The biggest complaint was they couldn't find it on TV and just gave up trying. Sorry, but Star Trek Enterprise is Extremely good Star Trek. A lot of the fans who have written it off never really gave it a chance, including me. I wonder if the Trekkies out there that had of watched it instead of whining about complaining about it would have been able to have saved it? In actuality, it did better than TOS!!!! I was a whiner and complainer as well, now I am a huge FAN!!!!!

[horatio]

Originally Posted by Beetlescott

Respectively Saquist, this is another time you are DEAD WRONG! my friend. Enterprise was anything but Bland. I was like you at first, I passed it off as uninteresting and didn't even give it a chance. But when I did decide to give it a chance, (someone on Star Trek.com sent me a copy of season one for free) I fell in love with it! Enterprise is as exciting as TOS or any of the shows!!! I can't get enough of it. I have talked with several differnt fans of the old series and they are watching ENT for the first time on SciFi and they are loving it. The biggest complaint was they couldn't find it on TV and just gave up trying. Sorry, but Star Trek Enterprise is Extremely good Star Trek. A lot of the fans who have written it off never really gave it a chance, including me. I wonder if the Trekkies out there that had of watched it instead of whining about complaining about it would have been able to have saved it? In actuality, it did better than TOS!!!! I was a whiner and complainer as well, now I am a huge FAN!!!!!

Same with me, Scott. It took me quite some time to like that show too, partly because of a too familiar story-telling style, partly for a "roughend-up" captain. Now I am among the ENT nerds

[TPutz]

Admiral,
You may want to reference the thread "What went wrong!"

Saquist,
I am surprised about the Travis comment as well. Care to elaborate?
I thought the whole space boomer bit was interesting...but the weakest of the characters (....usually)

Originally Posted by Admiral Archer

Okay, I know I'm gonna piss some people off, but here goes:

I was just flipping through the channels today, and managed to catch a couple episodes of ENTERPRISE on Sci-Fi. And, after not having watched it in a long time, I can safely say I had forgotten how truly AWESOME it is!

Now to explain why I like Enterprise as much as I do, because after TOS and TNG, it is my favorite STAR TREK series ever made. And here's why:

THE CREW: OMG, they are PERFECT! A crew this good hasn't come out since TNG, and I mean that 100%. Archer is obviously an honest-to-goodness explorer, with the heart of Picard and the rough-and-tumble nature of Kirk. T'pol is pretty much a female Spock, which means she's a GREAT character. Trip, oh good Lord, is AWESOME, the best Engineer since Scotty, if only because of how much like Scotty he is, with all the loveable county humor of Bones. Everyone else is perfect merely for being new and fresh, after a series of not-so-fresh characters.

THE SHIP: IT'S THE F***ING ENTERPRISE!!! Finally, we have a show that brings back the big 'E'. True, the design is different (and a cool design I must say, despite sharing similarities with the Akira-class) but the name is the same. It fits, and to me, Star Trek isn't Star Trek without a starship named Enterprise.

THE STORY: I think the idea of a story about "how it all came to be" was incredible, very original, and better than any idea that either you or I could have thought up. No offense, but I was getting tired of the same old, same old. True, ENTERPRISE had it's slip-ups, but didn't every show, at some point or other? (And some more than others)

I must say, to me DEEP SPACE NINE and VOYAGER are good concepts, but they are not good series, and they are NOT Star Trek. ENTERPRISE screamed true-blue Star Trek to me, in a way that Cardassian Space Stations and flying spoons didn't.

And at least ENTERPRISE had the humility to leave the title of TREK off, when the other two shows didn't. In my book, it deserved it ten-times better than the others.

Let the hate mail begin...