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Old 06-04-2009, 07:48 AM
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Default It was 20 years ago today...

Good lord, has it really been that long?

It's the 20th anniversary of Tianamen Square. The week that, among many many other acts of that Chinese revolt against the communist system there, the world was treated to the sight of one lone man standing firm against a row of tanks. (If there was ever a guy whom I admire... one whom I would instantly label as an "honorary American"... that's him!

My personal memory of the event was that the news kept breaking in on the season finale of "Beauty and the Beast" as the Chinese government began the assault on the people in the square. I was upset about the interruption, but I kept wondering if we were about to see an atrocity comitted on worldwide TV: the possible murder of thousands of demonstrators.
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Old 06-04-2009, 10:58 AM
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China's slow road to free markets and democracy has turned out to be the wiser choice than the quick Russian attempt.
China, the country that's been making history since before there was any history.
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:40 AM
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China, the country that's been making history since before there was any history.
Indeed. As far as I know, the Chinese have done far less horrible things in their history than most of the Western nations have in the last two centuries.
Let them progress on their pace, no need to push them.
The Russians have adopted out political and economic mainstream ideas and look where they are now. Fast forwarding to a free market system means cleptocracy and when they run out of natural resources, any wealth they have will vanish while the Chinese economic posperity and growth is sustainable.
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Old 06-04-2009, 04:25 PM
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Indeed. As far as I know, the Chinese have done far less horrible things in their history than most of the Western nations have in the last two centuries.
Let them progress on their pace, no need to push them.
The Russians have adopted out political and economic mainstream ideas and look where they are now. Fast forwarding to a free market system means cleptocracy and when they run out of natural resources, any wealth they have will vanish while the Chinese economic posperity and growth is sustainable.
The collective madness under Mao Zedong was pretty nasty (and not long ago).
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Old 06-05-2009, 06:15 AM
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The collective madness under Mao Zedong was pretty nasty (and not long ago).
I don't claim that the communist experiment was nice, Hitler, Stalin and Mao were the butchers of the last century, but the Chinese have tried out free market ideas much earlier than the Russians. To say it with Deng Xiaoping: "I don't care if it's a white cat or a black cat, it's a good cat so long as it catches mice."
Thumbs up for their economic pragmatism, what ideological economic thinking of the Western World has caused should be pretty clear to everyone right now.

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Old 06-04-2009, 11:34 AM
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I remember it quite vividly, because the news about the massacre started the weirdest year in history of the past 60 years: 1989.

First the protests and strikes in Poland, then the massacre in China, Hungaria opening its borders to Austria, hundreds of east-german citizens making their way to the west. Mass protests in Leipzig. Gorbatchev visiting East-Berlin, arguing for reforms of the eastern block. And finally the fall of the wall.

China still calls what happened on Tiananmen Square "an Incident". You know, like in the opening scene of The Undiscovered Country, when Praxis has exploded and the Klingons call it an incident?
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:23 PM
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Who could have predicted when we were kids that China would go capitolist, or that the USSR would cease to exist.
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:33 PM
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Who could have predicted when we were kids that China would go capitolist, or that the USSR would cease to exist.
Who would have dared to seriously proclaim the Cold War would just end, just like that? No bullet fired, no bombs dropped. The biggest weapons arsenal in human history, all useless. The biggest political, strategical and ideological conflict in human history and it ends like a usual day in a museum, when the waiter simply turns off the lights. Decades of propaganda on both sides, decades of hate and fear and all that remains is the man with the mop sending the last visitor home.
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Who would have dared to seriously proclaim the Cold War would just end, just like that? No bullet fired, no bombs dropped. The biggest weapons arsenal in human history, all useless. The biggest political, strategical and ideological conflict in human history and it ends like a usual day in a museum, when the waiter simply turns off the lights. Decades of propaganda on both sides, decades of hate and fear and all that remains is the man with the mop sending the last visitor home.
I was very happy the cold war ended with no bloodshed.
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