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Old 05-04-2009, 01:32 PM
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The New Film plays into a Parrallel Universe not into a Alternative Timeline because in the known Timeline JTK is Born on Earth in Ioha and his Dad newer was First Officer at the Kelvin. Spock and Nero travels accidently by the affects of the Singularity which was created to defeat the Supernova into this Parralleluniverse, and this change the Timeline into this Parraleluniverse So the Destroy Vulcan which should be the Wrath of Nero to Spock into our Timeline Is an Attack to the Spock into this Paralleltimeline.

and who is asking why Spock not travelles Back to our Universe he thinks he is more usefull into this Universe because the Vulcans an endangered Species now I think.

And So it is ABSOLUTLY TREK AND ABSOLUTLY CANON
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Old 05-04-2009, 01:41 PM
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Single Universe, alternate timeline which has its own canon from the point of its creation.
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Old 05-04-2009, 02:12 PM
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Single Universe, alternate timeline which has its own canon from the point of its creation.
The OPs explanation makes more sense.
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The OPs explanation makes more sense.
But omegaman's explanation is true. :P
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Old 05-04-2009, 02:24 PM
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But omegaman's explanation is true. :P
According to whom? The only thing that's canon is what appears in the film, not what the writers say about the film. Writers can change their minds, and often do - nothing is set in stone until it appears on screen, and as long as there's nothing in the movie that actually states this is the same universe, then you can't say one way or the other.

Edit: for example, didn't the director of Nemesis mistakenly say at one point that Geordi was an alien? Just because someone associated with a production says something, that doesn't make it true within the context of said production.

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Old 05-04-2009, 02:38 PM
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According to whom? The only thing that's canon is what appears in the film, not what the writers say about the film. Writers can change their minds, and often do - nothing is set in stone until it appears on screen, and as long as there's nothing in the movie that actually states this is the same universe, then you can't say one way or the other.

Edit: for example, didn't the director of Nemesis mistakenly say at one point that Geordi was an alien? Just because someone associated with a production says something, that doesn't make it true within the context of said production.
Fair to say. I've not seen the film, so I don't know what they say about the timeline divergence within the canon. I'd be surprised if it turns out to be a fully parallel universe rather than a split timeline though (and it scares me that I know the difference, I should get out more).
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:21 PM
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According to whom? The only thing that's canon is what appears in the film, not what the writers say about the film. Writers can change their minds, and often do - nothing is set in stone until it appears on screen, and as long as there's nothing in the movie that actually states this is the same universe, then you can't say one way or the other.
But Orci and Kurtzman did not change their minds about their own script, nor do they contradict their own facts in the comic prequel they conceived.

The explanation shown in Countdown is the same as in the film, but the film explains it much more briefly.

What is stated in the comic is stated in the film, if that helps. Orci wasn't lying in interviews, nor was he making up explanations to soothe the egos of ill-informed fans. He was talking about his own script in as much detail as he could without giving the whole story away months in advance.
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The OPs explanation makes more sense.
As I understand it Nero and Spock are thrown back in time of their own timeline where events then create the alternate timeline. This event occurs in the current Universe NOT a parallel one. Therefore single Universe, alternate timeline. NOT Parallel Universe, parallel timeline.
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As I understand it Nero and Spock are thrown back in time of their own timeline where events then create the alternate timeline. This event occurs in the current Universe NOT a parallel one. Therefore single Universe, alternate timeline. NOT Parallel Universe, parallel timeline.
I see you're one of the few who understands the difference between parallel and alternate universes and timelines, Omega...

I usually find it easier to explain it as parallels being lines going off to the left and right infinitely...then the alternates are running parallel on the above and below...
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As I understand it Nero and Spock are thrown back in time of their own timeline where events then create the alternate timeline. This event occurs in the current Universe NOT a parallel one. Therefore single Universe, alternate timeline. NOT Parallel Universe, parallel timeline.
Incorrect.

Travelling back in time creates the alternate universe from that poin on, in accordance with Quantum Physics.

This is according to the writers, and is supported by brief dialog in the movie.
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