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Old 02-06-2008, 02:44 PM
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Boborci on Trekmovie.com:

As i’ve said before, Trek fans are among the most savvy in the world, and since Damon and I humbly consider ourselves fans as well, all we had to to was look at each other to know that it was going to matter A LOT.
Canon is part of the DNA of our story. If you know your Trek, your knowledge will not be wasted. If you don’t, if won’t prevent you from entering this amazing world that’s been taken care of for over forty years by the fans. What other franchise has as distinct and established phenomenon as to have a name (Trekkie, Trekker). Even mainstream media covers the Star Trek fan base. There are no SPIDERMANNERS or PIRATERS, or SUPERMANNIES.
Trek belongs to all of us. I see canon much like the constitution. It is living document, but it has some principles that are iviolable.
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Old 02-06-2008, 03:00 PM
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That's a useful quote to pull, since it combines two facets of Orci's work in the film which fans (for now) seem insistent upon separating: this film's creators are fans of the original TREK and some measure of the wider universe (films, books, series), and plan to tell as canon-consistent story as their concept allows. Respect for canon without being slavish to the minutae of canon.

The creative team recognizes their responsibility to what exists and the fans who not only appreciate it but have kept it alive through decades, but they're also telling a new ambitious story and they must also serve the entertainment needs of their vision too. This new film must balance both of those efforts, and thus it cannot satisfy only one or the other totally -- as indeed no other project could, either.

The trick now is: fans know all about everything TREK already existing and practically nothing about this new story, so it's the fans who are having the hardest time seeing a potential balance. For now.
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What other franchise has as distinct and established phenomenon as to have a name (Trekkie, Trekker). Even mainstream media covers the Star Trek fan base.
Doctor Who.

And if he wants lessons on how to bring back a hugely successful sci-fi franchise, he can do worse then ask Doctor Who's executive producer Russell T. Davies.
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I think the best shot he and Alex Kurtzman have is to play the last card: write an amazing, completely out of this world screenplay. And frankly, I think they both have the talent to do so. And have.
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That's true, i know lots of doctors.
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Doctor Who.

And if he wants lessons on how to bring back a hugely successful sci-fi franchise, he can do worse then ask Doctor Who's executive producer Russell T. Davies.
True enough; regrettably, Mr Davies is also on record as saying that American SF producers listen too much to the fans about how to make their shows, and that he doesn't want to listen to them.

The LA Times article is Paying Customers Only, but the reference is here:

http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/fo...p?topic=4349.0
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True enough; regrettably, Mr Davies is also on record as saying that American SF producers listen too much to the fans about how to make their shows, and that he doesn't want to listen to them.

The LA Times article is Paying Customers Only, but the reference is here:

http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/fo...p?topic=4349.0
Joss Whedon said something similar about never listening to what the fans want. "Never give them what they want, only what they need." Of course that only works up to a point. If you don't listen at all you won't know what they need...
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Joss Whedon said something similar about never listening to what the fans want. "Never give them what they want, only what they need." Of course that only works up to a point. If you don't listen at all you won't know what they need...
...and that might explain why Star Trek has been around in one incarnation or another for forty-plus year and Firefly was on for 14 episodes and a marginally successful film. LOL
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Maybe TREK works because they never gave fans ONLY what they want?

Challenging fans to expand their understanding and appreciation for what the ST universe is keeps it dynamic and growing, instead of stale and lifeless. Exploration of unknowns never ends, certainly not after one five-year mission.
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...and that might explain why Star Trek has been around in one incarnation or another for forty-plus year and Firefly was on for 14 episodes and a marginally successful film. LOL
Now don't that just put a bee in my gorram bonnet. Those 14 episodes of Firefly are better than TOS and every other Star Trek television show combined. Overall, TWOK is probably a better movie than Serenity; the rest of the movies (yes, Terry, even First Contact) are mediocre at best. And pandering too much to fans is exactly why the Star Trek franchise has been stuck in neutral for nigh on twenty of those forty-plus years. IMHO, of course. Furthermore, if all of this alternate-timeline business turns out to be true, you can all rest assured that this movie will be a reboot. A clever one that incorporates existing canon as a jumping-off point, but a reboot nonetheless. J.J. & Co. are just savvy enough to know that labeling it as such would almost certainly be the kiss of death for them with all the canon-obsessed Trekkies. Again, IMHO.

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