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Old 12-16-2008, 11:13 AM
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Default Wild speculation about the TOS E...

Now, I know the Enterprise construction sequence from teaser trailer was supposedly not going to be used in the film but...

...I have been studying the two versions of the Enterprise construction as seen in the first teaser trailer and the shot of Kirk sitting on his motorcycle viewing the construction. There are differences... The city skyline for example (San Francisco) the scaffolding, the straighter nacelle pylons, the flatter area of the secondary hull between the pylons.

...what if the construction sequence from the teaser trailer is that of the TOS style E (with slight modifications) and it is used at the end of the film...

...Thus we would have a shot of the familar E being constructed in the San Francisco shipyards as a way of showing that the timelines has returned to normal...

It's a bit of a stretch, but...
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Old 12-16-2008, 11:20 AM
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Exactly, a good possiblity... especially since one of Orci's first comments about the trailer was that the ship shown 'under construction' MIGHT not be the ship we see in the film.

Which is true, and teasingly vague of course. If so, the reverse could well be true: the Enterprise we've seen may not be the Enterprise we end up with by the finale.

What if the timeline changes things to lead up *to* TOS, not away from it?
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Old 12-16-2008, 11:26 AM
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Well then they would have said that the timeline is fixed again at the end of the movie.
And a slow convergence to the "normal" universe makes no sense, especially not in terms of a discrete change from STXI-E to TOS-E.
To me that construction scene in the first and second trailer look pretty much alike. The large nacelles were noted as distinctive feature in the first trailer, so it cannot be the old-school E.
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Old 12-16-2008, 11:40 AM
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Nero went back in time and killed a lot of Federation scientists and engineers which explains while every thing after TOS (including the new film) looks so much less advanced than TOS. All the stuff from TMP on exist in the time line of the new film. We haven't seen anything from the TOS time line since TAS.
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Here is one fundamental point about "rebooting" Star Trek in the manner they've chosen to do it. It makes all things possible and all things can still fit. I'm pretty sure nothing in this movie is going to rule out the primary events of any of the movies and to a slightly lesser degree, the TV shows. You may have to visualize some differences, but they're basic concept is that this movie's universe still ends up with one of those hundreds of Enterprise-D's in "Parallels".
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Nero went back in time and killed a lot of Federation scientists and engineers which explains while every thing after TOS (including the new film) looks so much less advanced than TOS. All the stuff from TMP on exist in the time line of the new film. We haven't seen anything from the TOS time line since TAS.
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I hope they'll do a saucer separarion, the secondary hull + nacelles will be destroyed... and everything except the dish has to be rebuilt
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Sure, WTH. I’ll play along… once; in the spirit of a New Year.
This fits in with “Wild speculation on the New Enterprise” topic.

The main questions:
  1. Why “Old Spock”?
  2. Why an alternate time line?
  3. Why go back in time to mess with Kirk?
  4. So why the Kelvin and why is its destruction important?
Why “Old Spock”?
Obviously there is something motivating him personally.

Why an alternate time line?
Why indeed. Logic would dictate that whatever is to be accomplished in the past would affect Nero himself, possibly erasing his own existence if it was the same time line. So, an alternate time line is needed unless he’s completely suicidal.

Why go back in time to mess with Kirk?
Yeah, why? Everything shown so far and that can be logically determined points straight at messing with Spock, not Kirk. Old Spock, alternate timeline, Young Spock with lots of emotionalism, Vulcan.

So if messing with Spock might also erase Nero from existence, logic would say that the two are connected. Balance of Terror was cited as a reference point. I’m thinking that’s something of a small red herring and that Enterprise Incident is the real genesis. Is Nero Spock’s son from the Romulan Commander? There would be symmetry with the previous movies where Kirk had a son.

So what would be accomplished in the past that would dictate the appearance of “Old Spock”. If Spock accomplished the Romulan/Vulcan reunification then his lifelong mission is complete and he’s free to follow his mad son wherever he’s gone to stop him. Great. Fantastic. Whatever. It gets Old Spock there. If prevention of the reunification is the main point, then turning Spocko to the dark side by creating a racial hatred against Romulans (also symmetry with Kirk and the Klingons) by oh, say, destroying his home planet and all its people then that’s a good start against possible reunification. Problem is ol’ Nero gets Back to the Futurery if it’s the same time line… Spocko doesn’t have a go’round with the Romulan babe since events drastically change. Enter alternate time line.

Now TNG shows that after the TOS episodes, the Romulans pretty much stayed on the sidelines after the embarrassing spankings they got in TOS. Ok, fine. Whatever. So what would the destruction of Vulcan accomplish besides Darth Spock? War with the Romulans is a good guess and not the spankings that benched them. Nero with advanced technology could pretty much take over the Romulan Empire and equip its ships with some pretty nasty stuff.



(On topic part):

Does Old Spock counter this temporal interference in the same manner that Kirk did in Friday’s Child; by equalizing the technology and advancing the Federation’s starship program giving us a new Enterprise? (A nice solution to the problems presenting the future of Trek: updating, avoidance of the conflict of interests between Paramount and CBS over TOS, a new direction for Trek to go without hinderance of the "past" and blind adherence to it and an unknown future ahead of the crew ripe for new movies).


So why the Kelvin and why is its destruction important?
My guess is to show that the Romulans can defeat the Federation with new weapons as Nero's offensive begins. Oops! Kirk’s daddy is 1st officer on that ship. Not so good. Do we get Darth Kirk who now hates the Romulans instead of Klingons? Does Nero make a huge accidental blunder and screw up his plan?

Now since there really isn’t much info to go on, all I’ve done is present a scenario that fits with the known facts.

Stay tuned… in 5 months the real tale will be told.
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