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Old 11-27-2008, 09:09 AM
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I think the reason star trek movies started going down after First contact was because ILM stopped doing the special effects its been so long since they did Insurrection I forgot.

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Old 11-27-2008, 09:35 AM
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I do slightly agree there, it always bothered me that in Insurrection the Ent E looked totally different to that seen in FC. Nemesis did give us an Ent E which was closer to the one in FC but is still didnt look the same plus it was full of enhancements such as new weapons and a tapered saucer section. This film is going to totally blow all other Star Trek films out of the sky with its visual effects and might even give the last star wars film a run for its money, iam so hyped for this film now roll on may
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Old 11-27-2008, 09:39 AM
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First Contact was the last star trek movie that used a physical model.
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Old 11-28-2008, 04:55 AM
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First Contact was the last star trek movie that used a physical model.
In general, you would be right. But technically, the last physical model was used in "Nemesis." The crash sequence close-up with the E ramming the Scimatar was done with an actual model.
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In general, you would be right. But technically, the last physical model was used in "Nemesis." The crash sequence close-up with the E ramming the Scimatar was done with an actual model.
Right, at a very high frame rate and with a luminence key. Neat shot!

I think Digital Domain did a fine job on "Nemesis," no complaints here. It's a shame there's no bad writing and directing removal plug-in for NUKE, Shake, and Houdini

Trek 11 does look spectacular.

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Old 11-29-2008, 03:09 AM
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First Contact was the last star trek movie that used a physical model.
To my knowledge Insurrection did use a physical model...but in combinatioin with the CGI.
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Old 11-29-2008, 06:15 AM
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To my knowledge Insurrection did use a physical model...but in combinatioin with the CGI.
The space and space Battle used CGI that is what I read in Star Trek the magazine when they were disusing the production of Insurrection. They never used that model built by ILM after First Contact again.
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Old 11-27-2008, 10:35 AM
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I do agree that the effects in Insurrection had something lacking in them, but that's all the effects in the film, not just the E herself. They were a noticeable notch down from FC, I just assumed it was because ILM were not the main providers.

I do look forward to having them back on board for Trek.
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Old 11-27-2008, 02:25 PM
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I do agree that the effects in Insurrection had something lacking in them, but that's all the effects in the film, not just the E herself. They were a noticeable notch down from FC, I just assumed it was because ILM were not the main providers.

I do look forward to having them back on board for Trek.
Just to be weird, I really did like the Briar Patch effects in Insurrection, and I thought the battle was decent. If you look at First Contact, the effects aren't really all that spectacular, and the landing of the Vulcan vessel is really pathetic if you look at the background and the rendering. Honestly, I don't think that fx are what led to the downfall of Star Trek. Look at Nemesis - it had the best Trek fx to date (maybe minus TMP) and still flopped.
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Old 11-28-2008, 09:07 AM
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Just to be weird, I really did like the Briar Patch effects in Insurrection, and I thought the battle was decent. If you look at First Contact, the effects aren't really all that spectacular, and the landing of the Vulcan vessel is really pathetic if you look at the background and the rendering. Honestly, I don't think that fx are what led to the downfall of Star Trek. Look at Nemesis - it had the best Trek fx to date (maybe minus TMP) and still flopped.
I don't think the change in effects houses contributed to the lower box office either, just that personnally they didn't look as good as FC. The Vulcan ship and the engine coolant at the end of FC are indeed weak spots, but the Borg battle in FC is, to me, much more realistic looking than the battle in Insurrection.
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