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Old 11-12-2008, 01:06 PM
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Default A Vote Of Confidence....

......from the producer and star of Star Trek Phase II James Cawley, who had seen the design of the new E last year.

It's a good read, and hopefully will inspire some confidence in the doubters out there, especially those worried about canon!

http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/12/edit...ar-trek-movie/
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I think Mr. Cawley makes some very good points, notably the paragraph about the Batman franchise. But it's sad to say that no amount of explaining will make a difference to those who have already decided to hate the new film for whatever reason. Generally, they're trivial reasons put forth by die-hard purists who hate a movie/trailer they've never seen and who make all sorts of overdramatic statements about Trek being ruined ... all because of a few released images, two trailer descriptions and descriptions of four clips that were released. Trivial or not, people already hate this movie. And it's sad. I fear his points will, for the most part, fall on deaf ears.
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Yes it is sad that the very people who are criticising this film even before it comes out are supposedly the 'purists' amongst us, but in actual fact they do not have anything in common with anything Star Trek stood for!!!
An open mind for one thing!!

They wouldnt know Boldly Going if it ran them over , reversed and then ran them over again just to make sure!!!

Reading some of these posts makes me ashamed to be a Star Trek fan to be honest. These so called fans are quite happy for Star Trek to be the butt of jokes and comedy for ever and ever and someone comes along who wants to turn Star Trek into something we can be proud of and they slag them off using sometimes very strong unnecessary language.

Yes not everyone will like everything , but the arguments against this new version are frankly rubbish and generally fall into the 'its not the same as the TOS so I dont like it' camp.

Gene Rodenberry would have loved it because he would have said 'wow look what youve done its fantastic, I wish I could have done that .'
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Yes it is sad that the very people who are criticising this film even before it comes out are supposedly the 'purists' amongst us, but in actual fact they do not have anything in common with anything Star Trek stood for!!!
An open mind for one thing!!

They wouldnt know Boldly Going if it ran them over , reversed and then ran them over again just to make sure!!!

Reading some of these posts makes me ashamed to be a Star Trek fan to be honest. These so called fans are quite happy for Star Trek to be the butt of jokes and comedy for ever and ever and someone comes along who wants to turn Star Trek into something we can be proud of and they slag them off using sometimes very strong unnecessary language.

Yes not everyone will like everything , but the arguments against this new version are frankly rubbish and generally fall into the 'its not the same as the TOS so I dont like it' camp.
But do we need to insult them for it?
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It is the exectuion that is different, not the concept.
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No doubt the naysayers will be in line (wearing trenchcoats and sunglasses) to see this movie. If only to see if they're were right. Then magically they'll cross over. Folks don't understand this movie is a: win/win. For all intents and purposes the franchise was dead. The mainstream argued NCC1701 should sit idle for several years before any attempt of a cold engine restart.

Enter J.J. and his bold vision of Trek. We need something bold and provocative. A Star Trek for today..not yesterday. I can appreciate the concerns of the ST purists but J.J. owes them nothing. This is his Trek and he's running with it. And, it's time for most of us to let things go. I've read topics where posters wondered if a minor character or circumstance would be included in the new film. This is a new Trek for a new day.

I'm 50 years old and have been a Trek fan from the start. That doesn't make me better than anyone else. But with this movie I've learned to let go. Star Trek must evolve, it must go beyond traditional while retaining something of it as a basepoint. J.J. won't let us down.

Damage75, thanks for posting James Cawley's article. Very insightful.
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No doubt the naysayers will be in line (wearing trenchcoats and sunglasses) to see this movie. If only to see if they're were right. Then magically they'll cross over. Folks don't understand this movie is a: win/win. For all intents and purposes the franchise was dead. The mainstream argued NCC1701 should sit idle for several years before any attempt of a cold engine restart.

Enter J.J. and his bold vision of Trek. We need something bold and provocative. A Star Trek for today..not yesterday. I can appreciate the concerns of the ST purists but J.J. owes them nothing. This is his Trek and he's running with it. And, it's time for most of us to let things go. I've read topics where posters wondered if a minor character or circumstance would be included in the new film. This is a new Trek for a new day.

I'm 50 years old and have been a Trek fan from the start. That doesn't make me better than anyone else. But with this movie I've learned to let go. Star Trek must evolve, it must go beyond traditional while retaining something of it as a basepoint. J.J. won't let us down.

Damage75, thanks for posting James Cawley's article. Very insightful.
Well said.

Cawley is obviously considered to be an important voice in the world of Trekkorieism (did I miss anyone? ). That's why he was given a tour of the sets and a small part in the film. Paramount obviously respects his vision since they've "handed over" the Phase II concept to him. I wouldn't dismiss Cawley's opinions.

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No doubt the naysayers will be in line (wearing trenchcoats and sunglasses) to see this movie. If only to see if they're were right. Then magically they'll cross over.
I'm sure that makes for a nice daydream for studio execs. And that's all it is.

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This is a new Trek for a new day.
Then for the sake of ethics and honesty, it should have had a new name and the courage to sail or sink under a new reputation instead of siphoning light off something it had no intention of attempting to live up to.

Saturday Night Live had more respect for Star Trek than this project seems to.
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I'm from the UK and the same thing happened to Doctor Who (which remember is the oldest, longest running most succesful sci fi series on tv ever!!)

They changed everything even the sacred Tardis (though they didnt change the exterior I'll grant you that)

Doctor Who was in the same place as Star Trek is now, dead in the water.
We had dvd's, reruns on satellite channels but us fans were thought of as nerdy and sad.

Then they brought us new WHO and its become more succesful than it was before!!!
It even made the news on all channels at prime time when he was supposedly going to regenerate.

nobody complains because we are just grateful that its become COOL again and the fall out from it is is that the CLASSIC series is more popular than its ever been because all the kids want to see the old ones.

We original fans still have our CLassic series (and to be honest I think they are better) but you also have the option to watch all new Who if you want.

So go see this film and if you dont like it you dont have to buy the dvd or go see any more and you can watch all the classic episodes every day for ever.

And it can live alongside this new improved Trek in harmony just like the Star Trek universe should be.
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