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Old 01-24-2013, 01:12 PM
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http://m.deadline.com/2013/01/j-j-ab...ie-for-disney/

Oddly, I'm less interested in what it means for future Wars films as I am what it does for future Trek films.
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...Not a fan when I heard this news. He has officially put his mark on two of the most popular franchises of all time. Why not make it the next Star Trek movie as well?
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Oddly, I'm less interested in what it means for future Wars films as I am what it does for future Trek films.
That pretty much hits it right on for me as well.

I am intrigued by the possibility of more SW films, even if mostly out of curiosity (doesn't mean it's not a mistake). But what does it mean for ST. I'm always going to be more curious about that.
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That pretty much hits it right on for me as well.

I am intrigued by the possibility of more SW films, even if mostly out of curiosity (doesn't mean it's not a mistake). But what does it mean for ST. I'm always going to be more curious about that.
Yeah, it kind of reminds me of when Singer took X-Men on, made two great films and then got handed Superman and then left. And X3 got made!

My guess is technically it doesn't prevent him from doing a third Trek film (since it would maybe be after 2015 a third would be made anyway) unless this Wars news turns out to be an intention for him to direct all three of these proposed Disney ones.

Disney can probably heftily outbid Paramount for his services.
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"There were the very early conversations and I quickly said that because of my loyalty to Star Trek, and also just being a fan, I wouldn’t even want to be involved in the next version of those things." - JJA, trekmovie.com
Liar liar your pants are on fire.
Why am I not surprised that this "I am so committed to Trek" talk was always bullsh*t?

Abrams is a great director but a horrible moviemaker. Its all based on fairly primitive emotional manipulation, e.g. the vague post 9/11 fear stuff in Cloverfield and Star Trek or the fake "the monster is kind" idea of that E.T. copy. From another angle it is just an overplay of mysticism. Gee, I am a sucker for mystery movies but when mystery becomes omnipresent in your workand merges with an anti-enlightenment attitude it becomes reactionary garbage.
Back to Wars, as Abrams will not come along with his usual creative colleagues but just direct a movie which is written and produced by somebody else, as Wars will still be a Lucasfilms product with the emphasis being on Lucas, i.e. even though the master retreats it is dogmatically Lucasian (which reveals my European position, appreciating auteur cinema I favour absolute artistic power in the hands of one guy; Hitchcock was only good because he was dictator on the set), his influence will be limited.
So yeah, no news at all, the guy just directs the movie. You might notice his style via the lensflares or whatever but basically (or rather hopefully) it is just a technical and not a creative matter.
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And here I am waiting on hearing from the more hard core's who'll say:
"Yeah, now JJ is where he belongs because the last Trek movie might as well have been Star Wars Episode VII"

Gee, I'm glad I don't constrain myself to one take or view or dogma on Trek/Wars/Galactica, etc.
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And here I am waiting on hearing from the more hard core's who'll say:
"Yeah, now JJ is where he belongs because the last Trek movie might as well have been Star Wars Episode VII"

Gee, I'm glad I don't constrain myself to one take or view or dogma on Trek/Wars/Galactica, etc.
There will be elements of that depending on what internet forums and news sites you check out! There always will be when it comes to Abrams depending on your views of both past Trek and his Trek.

But I'm just not all that excited about these new SW films. I gotta say I just can't muster much up just now about them. And even this news doesn't really sway things more in any particular direction since I'm more interested in the implications for Trek.

Basically, the SW films now appear to be films where I'm not sure really if Abrams has a level of input that he usually seems to enjoy. Like or loathe his way of making Trek he at least came in and made some choices and had input into the creative side of it. And that seems to have been continued with the Trek sequel. And Abrams seems to like being involved quite a bit in what he does. Certainly so far on film.

The SW films look really more like anybody at this point could turn up and say 'action' and everything else is done for the director. The script is being done by someone else, there's already rumoured to be pre-production underway...........basically this juggernaut already seems to be moving along without him. So............what DO they want him to bring to it beyond his name?

Although I can see that maybe it was simply one of those moments in life we all get when an offer or an opportunity is given to you and despite your other commitments you just cannot say 'no' to it. But I'm also sure he will get asked a lot of questions if this becomes definitive and the announcement gets made.
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Could not agree more with a lot of what's been said in the last few posts.
Looking more closely at it, you and Horatio are likely right...JJ will probably just have directorial control alone, and not really much creative input since the writer and other production elements are outside of his usual Bad Robot team.

And yeah, Disney's coffers are probably a bit more impressive than Paramount's.

Here's an interesting little factoid, one that takes a slight tangent from the discussion, but still, hopefully interesting nonetheless.

When Disney Co. decided to make "The Black Hole" for 1979 release, they wanted to rent the motion control from John Dykstra, the equipment was too expensive for loan out. So, Disney Co. had to create its own motion control unit. Known as A.C.E.S. (Automatic Camera Effect Systems), Disney Co. succeeded in not only equaling Dykstra's motion control system, but for a short time, was actually more advanced than Dykstra's.
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Given that I am currently more into Wars than Trek and given that unlike Trek Wars is primarily a cinematic genre I'd rather argue the other way around. Contain the damage and keep him in Trek, after three movies he is gone anyway.
Seriously, I don't think that there are (m)any Wars haters here. And if there are, well, we all know how a lightsaber vs. phaser duel ends.

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