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Old 02-11-2012, 07:19 PM
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I remember during the spring or summer of '91 reading a blurb about upcoming movies in People Magazine.
For its little blurb about "Star Trek VI" it said Spock gets married and Kirk becomes a Monk.
Years later, I can only assume this was an inside joke to throw off those possible spoilers who wanted to reveal key plot points.
But on the other hand...
Imagine a "Star Trek VI" beginning with Captain Kirk far away from his Starship crew on a snowy mountain top wrapped in a cloak in an attempt to conceal his identity. Its been 10 years since the last mission of the Starship Enterprise.
His fellow brothers in faith whisper among themselves believing they are in the presence of the legendary Starship Captain.
Soon we see Spock preparing for his Matrimonial service on Earth of all places, surrounded by most of his crewmates from the Starship Enterprise.
Spock's wedding plans are disrupted by news that a war has erupted between Romulans and the Klingons and the Federation has sent the Enterprise to Organia in an attempt to meet with Klingon and Romulan Leaders.
When they arrive at Organia, a reunited Kirk, Spock and Bones look for the Elders they had met with 25 years earlier. None of the Organians are anywhere to be found, so this gives "the big 3" a chance to talk and to discuss their lives and their future. Spock reminds Jim that he can make a difference by getting back in the Captain's chair. Spock tells Kirk that he's found true love and happiness. McCoy raises his eybrow.
A distress signal comes in and a war breaks out in the skys above Organia. Kirk and crew return to the Enterprise where with the help of the Organians they somehow beam the captain's of both ships to the Enterprise. A truce is called and a new peace is in the air.
The film ends with a double wedding for Spock & Kirk. Kirk marrying Gillian from Star Trek IV. The last scene shows Kirk, Gillian, Spock, Mrs. Spock, McCoy and 2 red shirts beaming down to a strange new world and we can only imagine that the Human Adventure is just begining again.
Now tell me...isn't that a more rewarding send off than turning Star Trek VI into the Klingon story when we really cared more about our own heroes.
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Old 02-11-2012, 09:20 PM
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That is an interesting story indeed, Steve.

But I, personally, am happy with the ST VI we got. Cannot speak for anyone else though.
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Old 02-11-2012, 11:50 PM
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I'm not big on TUC to a great level as a film anymore but I do like the final overall scene that is in the film just fine as it is, I have to say.
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:37 AM
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I'm a fan of TUC and its 'hell with it' attitude (which I even think was justified given the circumstances. Three years earlier it might not have been). And though it's more than a little plot-heavy for a series send-off, and filled with holes to boot, I think it does most of what it does just fine.
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Old 02-12-2012, 10:22 AM
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An interesting idea Steve, Kirk as a monk and Spock getting married would certainly be interesting to see.

I personally thought TUC was great, it had a good atmosphere, was funny in places, all the cast got used well, good action and an entertaining story. Not my favourite Star Trek film but certainly a good one.
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Old 02-12-2012, 12:55 PM
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I can't picture Kirk as a monk at all. It doesn't even sound like a convincing PR smokescreen; if it was an inside joke I would suspect it was on the part of people magazine and not the studio or producers.
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Yeah, I don't get that either. Why would Kirk be a monk?
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Old 02-12-2012, 04:22 PM
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I remember during the spring or summer of '91 reading a blurb about upcoming movies in People Magazine.
For its little blurb about "Star Trek VI" it said Spock gets married and Kirk becomes a Monk.
Years later, I can only assume this was an inside joke to throw off those possible spoilers who wanted to reveal key plot points.
But on the other hand...
Imagine a "Star Trek VI" beginning with Captain Kirk far away from his Starship crew on a snowy mountain top wrapped in a cloak in an attempt to conceal his identity. Its been 10 years since the last mission of the Starship Enterprise.
His fellow brothers in faith whisper among themselves believing they are in the presence of the legendary Starship Captain.
Soon we see Spock preparing for his Matrimonial service on Earth of all places, surrounded by most of his crewmates from the Starship Enterprise.
Spock's wedding plans are disrupted by news that a war has erupted between Romulans and the Klingons and the Federation has sent the Enterprise to Organia in an attempt to meet with Klingon and Romulan Leaders.
When they arrive at Organia, a reunited Kirk, Spock and Bones look for the Elders they had met with 25 years earlier. None of the Organians are anywhere to be found, so this gives "the big 3" a chance to talk and to discuss their lives and their future. Spock reminds Jim that he can make a difference by getting back in the Captain's chair. Spock tells Kirk that he's found true love and happiness. McCoy raises his eybrow.
A distress signal comes in and a war breaks out in the skys above Organia. Kirk and crew return to the Enterprise where with the help of the Organians they somehow beam the captain's of both ships to the Enterprise. A truce is called and a new peace is in the air.
The film ends with a double wedding for Spock & Kirk. Kirk marrying Gillian from Star Trek IV. The last scene shows Kirk, Gillian, Spock, Mrs. Spock, McCoy and 2 red shirts beaming down to a strange new world and we can only imagine that the Human Adventure is just begining again.
Now tell me...isn't that a more rewarding send off than turning Star Trek VI into the Klingon story when we really cared more about our own heroes.
Wife and family vs. Starfleet made more sense than monk vs. captain. Furthermore I don't like the idea that Kirk could be happily married and continue his Starfleet adventures. The point of GEN (as well as TWOK and TSFS) that Picard and Kirk had to pay a price for their life in Starfleet, that you cannot do everything in your life, is more important than a happy ending in which all conflicts and trade-offs just disappear.
While I do not dislike your open end I consider the retirement story from TUC better. NEM did not feel like a proper ending to TNG precisely because it was open-ended whereas TUC had great goodbye atmosphere from the very beginning on.
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Wife and family vs. Starfleet made more sense than monk vs. captain. Furthermore I don't like the idea that Kirk could be happily married and continue his Starfleet adventures. The point of GEN (as well as TWOK and TSFS) that Picard and Kirk had to pay a price for their life in Starfleet, that you cannot do everything in your life, is more important than a happy ending in which all conflicts and trade-offs just disappear.
While I do not dislike your open end I consider the retirement story from TUC better. NEM did not feel like a proper ending to TNG precisely because it was open-ended whereas TUC had great goodbye atmosphere from the very beginning on.
I will agree. Nemesis was TOO open-ended for a "sendoff" movie. It was like: "If the movie fails, it's a sendoff...if it succeeds, it's an open check for the next movie."
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I will agree. Nemesis was TOO open-ended for a "sendoff" movie. It was like: "If the movie fails, it's a sendoff...if it succeeds, it's an open check for the next movie."
Indeed. My impression is that during the last one or two decades a lot of Hollywood movies work like this. It is perfectly fine and understandable that you wanna maintain your options, you want your movie to have an end as well as a potentially new beginning.
But recently is often not done fluently and seamlessly, instead of being a natural part of the story which you hardly notice the "we wanna keep our options open" rationale kinda sticks out too much. Let's take e.g. "Star Wars", while the opening crawl reveals that this is just one chapter of a story it has a clear ending; there are no forced "we gotta hedge our bets concerning a potential follow-up movie" vibes in it.
That's not at least why I always say that paradoxically you can only make a truly great movie and thus a lot of $$$ if you are not mainly motivated by money. Or as Yoda would say, let go of everything you fear to lose.
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