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Old 12-05-2010, 08:42 AM
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Read it in a german newspaper today (Süddeutsche Zeitung): The X-37 Project seems much further in its development than has been revealed. The unmanned X-37b Orbiter has returned after seven month (seven!) in orbit. Its mission objectives are kept a secret. Wether it carried a payload remains unknown. The orbiter is marked as Air Force, not NASA.

Russia is concerned over all the secrecy and made it clear, that if the US would use the project to carry weapons into space, it would trigger a new arms race.

I must wonder about all the secrecy: In the past projects like this have been heavilly advertised. Such secrecy did not surround the Space Shuttle Program, the ISS, the Space Lab, Hubble, Apollo nor Gemini. And its strange, that it is the US Air Force running the show, instead of NASA. Seems the US doesnt even bother anymore to hide the military aspects of their space program under the science-umbrella of NASA.

This is the best english speaking source I could find:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40491145/40492239

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Old 12-05-2010, 11:36 AM
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Several shuttle missions were also top secret and never revealed...
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Old 12-05-2010, 01:17 PM
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Several shuttle missions were also top secret and never revealed...
Right. But the Shuttle Program itself was not secret.

The thing is, that something that big is reported on page 10 in a small box, as if the US has a new space program every two weeks. Our two superpowers on the verge of a new arms race is pushed to page 10? The german Tagesschau, the most influential news program in german television, preferred to report about the guy, who hurt himself in a game show, while there was no mention of the fact that the next generation space program just so happens to drop out of the nightsky after seven month of active duty in space?

Thats more then odd. Thats bizarre.
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Right. But the Shuttle Program itself was not secret.

The thing is,
For a secret program, you sure can find a lot of information about it by simply googling X-37. If this were a "secret weapon's program", it wouldn't have shown up in the press anywhere.
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Old 12-11-2010, 07:38 AM
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For a secret program, you sure can find a lot of information about it by simply googling X-37. If this were a "secret weapon's program", it wouldn't have shown up in the press anywhere.
Right. The Air Force hasnt told us wether the X-37 is planned to become a weapons platform for a global strike capability in violation of the United Nations Outer Space Treaty. Therefore it will be a perfectly peacefull.... what? What will it be? Air Force doesnt want to tell us.

And because Air Force doesnt want to tell us, that it will become a perfectly peacefull.... uhm.... something.... therefore we know that it will indeed become a perfectly peacefull something something.

I bow down to your reasoning. Kudos!

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I bow down to your reasoning. Kudos!
Thank You!

You said it was a secret. This obviously is NOT. Does it contain proprietary technologies that can be developed for other platforms? Without a doubt. Is the Air Force going to divulge everything to the public. No. The F-117 was a secret. We didn't know anything about it until the government was ready for us to know. The McDonnell Douglas / Boeing Bird of Prey was a secret. Developed in the 90's but not unveiled until 2002. Just because they don't tell us the details of the mission, doesn't mean it will be a weapon that violates the United Nations Outer Space Treaty.
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Old 12-05-2010, 02:28 PM
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The "Star Wars" programm has been running since the eighties so why should the testflight of an unmanned ship appear on page 1 of a newspaper?
Two superpowers? Russia is perhaps an important player in geopolitics but certainly not a superpower anymore.They have been pissed off by this kind of stuff for a long time, e.g. when the US offered Poland protection under such a program some years ago. If I didn't have to pay the bill I wouldn't mind such protection either, nothing but a nice spaceship with a big ray gun to make a country think twice before it messes with you.

I think that meddling directly before Russia's doorstep, e.g. when some NATO dumbasses considered to take a country like Georgia into the Western pact, has caused more concern on the Russian side than these ongoing experiments about weapons in space.

Anyway, the Cold War is long over and as space weapons are still in the experimental phase they won't cause an arms race in the near future. Let's focus on the existing arm races, not on the ones that might emerge in some decades.

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The military getting it done where NASA is failing...
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The military getting it done where NASA is failing...
If the government would have wanted the project to be a NASA project, then everyone associated with it would have done the exact same work under a NASA banner. But obviously the government preferred the project to be done under the secrecy of the Air Force hood. The question is why.
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Old 12-08-2010, 03:18 AM
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If the government would have wanted the project to be a NASA project, then everyone associated with it would have done the exact same work under a NASA banner. But obviously the government preferred the project to be done under the secrecy of the Air Force hood. The question is why.
"Oh my god, they test a space weapon, oh my god, they do it secretly!"
Stop acting so surprised, the Star Wars program has been running for over twenty years.

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