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Old 01-25-2010, 05:20 AM
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Default How Big Is The iBridge Deck On The Abramsprise??

Okay. Something just occurred to me recently. In TOS and every other incarnation of Star Trek ever seen on the TV or the big screen, Deck 1 is always the bridge deck. The bridge is usually the only room on Deck 1 on most if not all starships in the Starfleet. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never seen a doorway on any bridge of any starship in any incarnation of Trek, either TV or movie, that leads out to a corridor. In most if not all cases, the only way off the bridge is via turbolift.

Yet in STXI, there appears to be not only a turbolift door, but also a regular door leading off the iBridge to a corridor. On the Abramsprise, the iBridge deck is enormous. Here's why: In the scene where Kirk is lying on the bed in sick bay and wakes when he hears Chekov's broadcast, he and McCoy go out the door into a corridor. Kirk then uses a computer to locate Uhura. They both run down another corridor and find Uhura in the brewery monitoring the firmentation process with some other cadets. After Kirk talks to Uhura, they all three run out of the brewery into another corridor, around a corner and onto the iBridge. They never took a turbolift. They got to the iBridge from sick bay using only corridors. That would seem to imply that both sick bay and part of the brewery are on the same deck as the iBridge. Later, as Vulcan is being destroyed, Spock leaves the iBridge via turbolift on his way to the transporter room. Some time later, Chekov leaves the iBridge on his way to the same transporter room via corridor from the iBridge. Chekov leaves the iBridge, runs down a corridor, and into the transporter room. During this, Spock is still in the turbolift on his way to the same transporter room. Chekov has time to save Kirk and Sulu from their chute-less freefall of death while Spock is still apparently travelling all over the ship in the turbolift. It tool Chekov all of 4 seconds to run from the iBridge to the transporter room. While it took Spock several minutes to get there via turbolift. Something doesn't add up. Either way, not only are sick bay and part of the brewery on the same deck as the iBridge, but apparently the transporter room is as well. That's a pretty big deck. Anybody else notice this? Just wondering.

1-2 Med Bay.jpg 3-4 Brewery Corridor.jpg 5-6 Corridor iBridge.jpg 7-8 iBridge Turbolift corridor.jpg

All of these rooms apparently are on the same deck.

Aha! Another thing just occured to me! From the first sick bay scene, we know that the sick bay and iBridge are both on the same deck. Yet in the battle scene at Vulcan when the Narada fires missiles at the Abramsprise, one hits the neck of the ship. When the missile impacts, we clearly see sick bay sustaining heavy damage. It looks like the same room where Kirk was sedated. Yet we know that room is on the iBridge deck. Hmmm. Is there a duplicate sick bay in the neck of the ship?

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Okay. Something just occurred to me recently. In TOS and every other incarnation of Star Trek ever seen on the TV or the big screen, Deck 1 is always the bridge deck. The bridge is usually the only room on Deck 1 on most if not all starships in the Starfleet. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never seen a doorway on any bridge of any starship in any incarnation of Trek, either TV or movie, that leads out to a corridor.
The observation lounges on the Enterprise-D and the Enterprise-E were also located on Deck 1. Both were accessible through corridors that lead off and behind the main bridge. We only saw the ends of these corridors, however, and never the entire thing.

In the case of the nuEnterprise--new universe, new design philosophy, IMO. I have no problem with this bridge being part of a larger Deck 1 underneath the actual bridge dome.
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I stand corrected. However, the "dome" on top of the Abramsprise is not the bridge dome. According to the viewindow pull-out scene, the iBridge is much lower in the saucer than the dome. Methinks the dome is simply a sensor array of some kind.

Also, the firmentation room where Uhura was seems to be an extremely large room with a very high ceiling. It would appear to be much higher than the ceiling of the iBridge, yet when looking at the impges of the ibridge area on the saucer of the Abramsprise, the iBridge deck tapers down toward the rear from the iBridge which is at the front. In other words, the brewery room won't fit within the physical confines of that deck.
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I stand corrected. However, the "dome" on top of the Abramsprise is not the bridge dome. According to the viewindow pull-out scene, the iBridge is much lower in the saucer than the dome. Methinks the dome is simply a sensor array of some kind.
I called it the bridge dome because it was a dome sitting on top of the bridge. Now, what that dome actually does is a matter of debate, but the idea of it being a sensor array is in keeping with Matt Jefferies' original design for the classic Enterprise (with a similar dome being directly beneath the saucer section). Both domes would be considered more exterior features than interior ones, IIRC...

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Also, the firmentation room where Uhura was seems to be an extremely large room with a very high ceiling. It would appear to be much higher than the ceiling of the iBridge, yet when looking at the impges of the ibridge area on the saucer of the Abramsprise, the iBridge deck tapers down toward the rear from the iBridge which is at the front. In other words, the brewery room won't fit within the physical confines of that deck.
Do we know if that control room Uhura was in was on Deck 1? I actually don't myself--I think it was on a lower deck and what we saw was Kirk, McCoy and Uhura running from a turbolift somewhere farther back on Deck 1 and then onto the bridge.
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I can't imagine that brewery room is supposed to be the same deck as the bridge dispite how the flow of the film might indicate that to the hyper-stickler. In film editing parlance it's called a jump cut.

The bridge and the deck it's on does seem to be pretty big though. I want blueprints!
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I can't imagine that brewery room is supposed to be the same deck as the bridge dispite how the flow of the film might indicate that to the hyper-stickler. In film editing parlance it's called a jump cut.

The bridge and the deck it's on does seem to be pretty big though. I want blueprints!
DING-DING-DING-DING! You are correct on both accounts! It is simply a jump cut. They are used to convey a sense of urgency as well as to manipulate time. One will notice that in television news and sports broadcasts, rarely are transisitons like fades or dissolves are used. It's an immediate cut from one source to another.

There IS a corridor and other resources on the same deck as the bridge. In the age of computers and digitial film making, scaling is VERY important. Otherwises, the effects shown on camera will not look right. I remember in the "first edition" of Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, when Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia are looking out of the huge medical bay window as Lando takes the Falcon to search for Han. When the camera cuts to the outside POV (Point of View), we start with a medium-tight-shot of them and pull out to see the whole ship among the fleet. I remember as a kid saying, "Boy! That must be either one rinki-dink ship or Luke and Leia are giants!" Scaling was an issue and it was not properly addressed until they re-released it with new digital effects.

In TOS, they did not address scaling because they did not have the computers we have now. In the pilot, they began with a camera zooming into the dome. I had the same impression then as a VERY little boy as I did when I watched "Empire". In other words, the Enterprise was always meant to be a large ship, with a large crew. If properly scaled, it would be illogical to have this huge dome area for the bridge and no one else...because it would be a large empty area of unused space. And because of every incarnation of Star Trek used TOS' Enterprise as a template for size, there have been scaling problems with their renderings (most notably DS9's Reliant). 2009's Star Trek got the scaling right. It is, in my opinion, the size the TOS Enterprise should have always been.

BTW: The medical bay is located in the neck of the ship, which is where the first doctor actually bought the farm.
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I would be inclined to agree. It just doesn't seem possible or logical to have that enormous room on the same deck as the iBridge. However, in that scene, we see them run out of the brewery into the corridor. Then the camera cuts to the corridor and we see them running out of the doorway and around a corner and down the corridor and around another corner. Then we see them run into the iBridge. From what I saw on screen, it appears that the two rooms are on the same deck. Now, if they had shown the three of them going into a turbolift, I would not be having this conversation.
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I would be inclined to agree. It just doesn't seem possible or logical to have that enormous room on the same deck as the iBridge. However, in that scene, we see them run out of the brewery into the corridor. Then the camera cuts to the corridor and we see them running out of the doorway and around a corner and down the corridor and around another corner. Then we see them run into the iBridge. From what I saw on screen, it appears that the two rooms are on the same deck. Now, if they had shown the three of them going into a turbolift, I would not be having this conversation.
No film can show every single movement of the characters. And it wouldn't make sense to try.
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Problem is, in TOS and all other Trek incarnations, even the movies, they always showed the characters entering and exiting the turbolifts when they were going to a different deck. They didn't do that in this movie. Therefore, logically, it must be assumed, given the events as seen in the movie, that all these rooms are intended to be on the same deck. However implausible it may be. The only time I saw a turbolift used was when Spock went from the shuttlebay to the iBridge and when he went from the iBridge to the transporter room...which was on the same deck as the iBridge. Which brings up another question. He was in a hurry to get to the transporter, so why didn't he do what Chekov did and just run down the corridor to the transporter room. It would have been 10X quicker.
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...Therefore, logically, it must be assumed, given the events as seen in the movie, that all these rooms are intended to be on the same deck.
Sir, I must humbly disagree. Your reasoning was not logical and I don't see that your conclusion must be assumed.
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