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Old 11-18-2012, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by samwiseb View Post
It's actually a pretty good scene (just watched it, thanks)... I think Troi's line is the only thing that gives it an unfortunately staged "Star Trek 101' feel to the affair. But what do you do; she's there, you have to give her 'something' to say. I'd love to get a Meyer/Bennett MST3K-style commentary on her line though. "Really? We weren't required to know any of that stuff when we made our movies"... "That's because you chased Gene out of your office, you soulless bastard!"... "I did, didn't I?"

I suppose one could argue this story is the foundation of Trek mythology, and Cochrane is the 'visionary' stand-in for Roddenberry (for those who insist on calling him that) who meets these people and immediately 'gets it' as to what they're about... hence his coming up with the same term Roddenberry did when pitching his series. (Just don't tell Moore and Braga; they might take credit for it)
I totally agree and would like to add that Troi felt out of place in FC if not all four NextGen movies (and at least I do not know why, she just doesn't work) and that Cochrane was a greedy selfish bastard just like Roddenberry has been according to the accounts of other folks.

It is just an irrelevant sidenote but I like the idea that something great can emerge independent of the qualities and virtues of its creator. Take love poetry that stood the test of time, perhaps the writer was totally insincere and just wrote a poem in order to get laid.
Perhaps one could call it the Frankenstein effect, "you are my creator but I am your master", a creation takes on a life of its own (in contrast to the idea that "everything has to already to be in the box" that is implied e.g. in an omnipotent creator).
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