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Old 09-08-2012, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tannerwaterbury View Post
WRONG! CO2 is in no way shape or form affecting the weather. Michael Mann has intentionally hid the decline in his Hockey stick Chart. And its been proven by unbiased scientists that the temperature is rising BEFORE the increase of CO2. You can reference , and other references on the wattsupwiththat side links. I'm a natural skeptic when it comes to Anthropogenic Global Warming, and I really doubt mankind can have a major impact on the climate, even if we did turn on every powerplant and car in the world, it would still have a miniscule impact compared to Naturally induced Global warming. Also, since we speak of CO2 and Warming, lets not forget that 2 planets in our system has a CO2 atmosphere, and the difference between the two are 180 degree opposites of each other in terms of weather patterns. Mars has a 95% CO2 atmosphere, yet a normal temperature during the day is -67 degrees Fahrenheit, whereas Venus Is 96% CO2, and its average temperature consists of nearly 860 degrees Fahrenheit! Of course, Venus is MUCH closer to the sun than Mars, and it's atmosphere is thicker than that of both mars and earth. To say that CO2 is the leading cause is absolute hooey, otherwise Mars would be boiling as well, even at its distance! The only way we'd get a Global warming where the ice caps are melting, is if the CO2 levels were around that of Venus or Mars, and our atmosphere would have to be much thicker than it is. Thank God that we have plants that are able to compensate the CO2 levels, otherwise we WOULD be like Venus.
It's gratifying to see that you're excited to announce my supposed error. However...

Temperature will not immediately follow the Carbon Levels because of the level of particulate matter in the atmosphere. As was proven during 911 our polluted atmosphere has changed the reflectivity of our clouds reducing the average temperatures of the Earth that would otherwise be 5-7 degrees hotter by redirecting the sun's energy back into space.

It was long concluded that after the planes over America were grounded on September 9, 2001 that if reduction in particulate matter continued that temperatures would rise rather quickly due to the Greenhouse effect. This theory was tested after 9,11,01 in the Indian Ocean just off the coast of Southern India where clouds were seen to have a reflective brilliance and temperatures over the ocean outside of India's pollution cloud were indeed much warmer than the cloud cover over the sub continent.

What has followed the temperature of the planet exactly is the evaporation rate which has a record of 100 years that farmers have used to judge how much water crops would require. This is called the Pan evaporation rate. It's a simple process of adding water to a pan and placing it in the sun and measuring the remaining water. The actual sun light the photons themselves hitting the water is directly attributable to the evaporation. This record shows a decline of evaporation rates over Russia, Eastern Europe and the USA in the last 30 years. And it matches the pace of Industrialization of the last 50 years.

If evaporation is being effected then droughts would be the result.
No precipitation means no snow over the Arctic. Less snow means more light penetration into the ocean and gradual warming of the Arctic. And it's cumulative the Arctic works on it's own reflectivity to maintain a steady cold cycle to transition from Summer to Winter.


Political views have become a rather dangerous obstruction to progress in the area of environmental science. Rather than treating the Earth's Climate as a nearly orgainic ever changing difficult to predict system of varribles certain ones will offer a singular juxtaposition of facts with out relating them to the whole chaotic theory and summarily assume all is well.

Everything renewable is being consumed, Everything natural is being bulldozed for more human development and somehow some people still think everything is proceeding just as it always has.

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