There's just no sense in this. It's gonna be more circular debating bull****, just like every other thing in Star Trek that doesn't please one fanboy or another.
I'm backing out. And it's not because I'm conceding anything, because I certainly am not....I'm just tired of trying to point out that this is just FANTASY!
And wow....really...the Independence Day speech? Cringeworthy? Wow....amazing how popular it was at the time the movie was out. I guess it just isn't cool to be ...oh, I dunno...AMERICAN anymore.