Originally Posted by Saquist
First Contact made 92 million
That's a marginal success yes.
Insurrection was 70 million 28th on the top 50
Frankly when I say flop I guess I mean "no where near the top ten"..or "top 20". First Contact was a better success it's number 17 on it's years list. But honestly I was meaning flop as in...poor stories because those movies really were on the wrong end of the quality marker for me.
Taking aside the story, when I'm using the word 'flop' I tend to look at what a film earned at the box-office versus what it cost to produce, etc. Though critical/viewer appreciation would also be a factor.
I don't entirely think in terms of critics's lists or where it lands for the year always. And I usually consider story separately.