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Old 01-11-2011, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Enterprise Captain View Post
Since that's the case the opening of the school and the curriculum should have gone threw the Bajoran government for approval.
Precisely why Winn was just blowing hot air and creating problems because she was not a government representative. But they do give a certain deference to the Kai but she wasn't even Kai at the time. She was appealing to a base of people that believed that bajor should stand alone.

I think you intended to add a link above but there is none.
Sorry...I've done a lot of research in the past few Weeks on DS9. I'm at my wits end with references. Rest assured the Prime Directive is mentioned directly considering the Bajorans in Emissary. (The site where I typically get the script information is full of virus)

I hear you. I don't know if this is directly related but I feel it is similar. This is something I've been struggling with a bit. How can I say to someone I respect their religion when the truth is I don't? I respect their right to choose religion. I don't mean to sound harsh and I know people can take that the wrong way but if I say I respect someone's religion then I'm being a bit of a hypocrite and a liar. I don't really have an issue with people believing in a higher power but organized religion bothers me in many ways. I was raised reformed Christian and the God of the Bible along with many other aspects of Christianity bother me.
I'm not sure if I can help you there. I have respect for everyone's beliefs. Mutal respect doesn't start with agreement. I think it starts with the effort to understand the other.

The Bajorans are a really good example of that. They allow the Pah-Wraith worshipers to do their own thing. They don't hunt them down or unlawfully detain them. And they didn't really have a problem with the Federations attitude about the profits. They have a really philosophy yet they are fierce about fighting for their planet. The whole D'jara's thing didn't fit the bajorans. A cast system in place just before the occupation (50 year prior) doesn't make sense that they culture abandoned them in just one generation. If they were that important that every bajoran went by them for their purpose in life and their socity standards it's not something that 50 years of occuptation could distinguish with out the bajorans going right back to it right after the occupation. The Cardassians would have had to kill all the elderly and adults and raise a completely new population for them to quickly forget them. YES...I know...that was a tangent.

I guess I'm saying the Bajoran way really does work. They are a religiously enlightened society. And it's not unlike the Native American religions that were and are fairly enlightened or even Buddhism and Hinduism. We get our disgust for religions involvement from the big 3. Jewish, Islam and Christianty who are at odds with each other over philosophy, territory and members. We've been burned and now we're shy about the concept as a whole.

I thought about this quote a little more like you say it is an extreme perspective but I can also understand it. In the case of the Bajorans they pretty much had no other choice but to ask for Federation assistance or end up possibly under Cardassian rule again. The Federation then came in and started to assimilate them slowly, it is kind of true. This brings me back to my favorite quote from "In the Hand of the Prophets:"

"We don't always agree. We have some damn good fights, in fact. But we always come away from them with a little better understanding and appreciation of the other." - Sisko
Then you understand, that mutual respect better than you think.

I know we don't see eye to eye on a lot of things but I do find these debates interesting. In the past I have changed my view on things because of previous debates so I do value these exchanges.
I've never had a problem with you or anyone else in a debate. NEVER. It's the nature of the Beast. It's the process of bridging schisms. Perhaps I enjoy the debate too much but I enjoy the challenge, failures and successes because it engages my intellect.

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