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Old 01-08-2010, 10:39 AM
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By that reasoning then a person of faith that believes in God has flawed reasoning because they believe in God. How does that make any sense? It's ok for religious people to pick and choose what they believe from their respective dogmas but it's not ok to believe that Dawkins makes some good points in his argument? I don't believe everything the man says but I think some of his points are valid.
I didn't explain that properly. Dawkins believes that people who have faith in God are idiots. He has faith in the non-existence of God. Since God's existence can be neither proved not disproved, then the only purely scientific view is to be agnostic. Dawkins by his own reasoning therefore is an idiot. As am I by his reasoning.

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don't have a problem with them practicing their faith, what I have a problem with is them wanting to play a game of soccer for 90 minutes and not hydrating themselves because they are practicing their faith. If they want to practice there faith that's fine but they shouldn't be offended if they are told they can't play the game while they are practicing their faith because anyone with any reason can tell you playing a 90 minute game of soccer with out hydrating is a heath risk. Is heath not the reason that pregnant women, the sick, travelers, children under 12 and the elderly are excused from fasting?
I would agree with that. They shouldn't expect to play

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agree with you completely on this but the Creationists would not agree with us.
That is their outlook.

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wouldn't call myself an atheist and I don't have any issue with the statements you have brought up above but I can see why a person atheist or not may get offended if someone told them they are going to hell because of what they believe.
I don't understand why someone would be offended by something they don;t believe in. Hindus believe if I do not live a good life then I will be reborn as a "lesser" creature. I don't believe that so it doesn't offend me

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It's not a matter of "if" I know reasonable and normal religious people but morals can be taught with out religion. Most people understand that it is wrong to kill, steal etc. religious or not.
I would agree that morality is not the purview of just religious people and that people of all faiths or none can be moral people. Just the same as people of all faiths or none can be highly immoral

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Regardless of what caused these pedophile Catholic priests to do what they did the stories I've heard of how the Catholic Church went about dealing with these men is sickening.
I agree. The Catholic Church's attitude was ridiculous. Power surely does corrupt. But there are paedophiles in all walks of life and from all social strata. There are however many more priests who work away in their parishes bringing comfort and support to their parishioners

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You're absolutely right and I never said that.
No but Richard Dawkins did. He seems to think that because some religious people are responsible for all sorts of crimes, that it somehow negates the existence of God. That's a very poor argument against God's existence. If he wants to stop being a scientist and become a philosopher he is more than welcome but he had better improve his critical thinking skills if he is going to do that.

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And many of those members despite there personally give money every time they go to church which funds these me because that's just what you do at church. "God loves those who are generous with their money." Really when did God give a **** about money?
I pay council tax in Scotland and it pays for the wages of teachers and bin men and librarians and government officials. Some of them must be paedophiles and I am funding their lifestyles. Most people in the Catholic church did not know about these men. When I joined the Church I agreed to give a fitting proportion of my time, talents and money to the Church. Again, some take that idea to the extreme, but it says nowhere in the Bible that God loves those who are generous with their money. Jews give 10% of their income as the Torah tells them to, Muslims give 2.5% of their savings as is expected of all Muslims.

The God I believe in cares about justice and charity and giving everyone a chance. I'm not sure if he believes in Atheists like Dawkins though
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