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Quark 04-01-2008 08:23 AM

If I were Harriman...
 
I would have protested Kirk wanting to go down to fix the deflector relays. I would have said, "No Captain, I understand you want me to be on the bridge. But as Captain, I should have known better than to leave drydock unprepared for situations such as these. I wouldn't want your death on my consionce...Not that you're going to die, but as I've heard Mr. Spock say time, and time again, 'There are always possibilities.' "

*I mean, if you watch the film again, you can see how Harriman is almost hoping for Kirk to volunteer to go. There isn't one glance of thought or hesitivity after Kirk says he could take care of it.* But that's just me. Any other suggestions or thoughts on this?

Zardoz 04-01-2008 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Quark (Post 34432)
I would have protested Kirk wanting to go down to fix the deflector relays. I would have said, "No Captain, I understand you want me to be on the bridge. But as Captain, I should have known better than to leave drydock unprepared for situations such as these. I wouldn't want your death on my conciouns...Not that you're going to die, but as I've heard Mr. Spock say time, and time again, 'There are always possibilities.' "

*I mean, if you watch the film again, you can see how Harriman is almost hoping for Kirk to volunteer to go. There isn't one glance of thought or hesitivity after Kirk says he could take care of it.* But that's just me. Any other suggestions or thoughts on this?

Well, the ship not being fully functional was Starfleet's decision, not Harriman's. Starfleet wanted the press oppertunity and a PR goldmine of having Kirk on the E-B. This was just a short jaunt around the solar system, not actaul duty.

I allways sensed that Harriman was second guessing only because Kirk, hero of the fleet was there.

Kirk and Harriman realized it was better for Harriman to stay on the bridge of his ship, at that time, Kirk was the most expendable crew member on board.

Botany Bay 04-01-2008 08:33 AM

Well, actually, if the time would have allowed it, I would have said:

Go down to the deflector controll room? Why not. All the high skilled, well trained and perfectly specialized deflector engeneers could perhaps need a hand, here.. or there.

Quark 04-01-2008 08:34 AM

Yeah, but Zardoz...I mean what about the whole Living Legend thing?

Zardoz 04-01-2008 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Quark (Post 34442)
Yeah, but Zardoz...I mean what about the whole Living Legend thing?

Ok, look at it from a Starfleet/military stance. Kirk was the most expendable. Scotty was helping keep the ship in one peice. Chekov was helping with the refugees. the civilians couldn't do it, even if they could, Starfleet protcol would not allow a civilian to he harmed.

All the E-B's limited crew was working to keep the ship going.

So Kirk was the most expendable person.

Jim Kirk never saw himself as a "living legend" he was just a Capatin.

Quark 04-01-2008 08:41 AM

I know he never saw himself as a "living legend", however so many others did. Most notably Harriman. But you're right.

Legion 04-01-2008 10:37 AM

I personally think it was Harriman's inexperience, that lead to Kirk going down there. Though you do have some point as to Kirk being expendable, but Kirk had to go down or else the story would not have worked.

Zardoz 04-01-2008 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Legion (Post 34503)
I personally think it was Harriman's inexperience, that lead to Kirk going down there. Though you do have some point as to Kirk being expendable, but Kirk had to go down or else the story would not have worked.


Well like I said to Quark, who was the most expendable Starfleet officer with the knowlege on that ship? Kirk.

The E-B had a limited crew, the civilians couldn't do it. Scotty and Chekov were allready helping.

Would Kirk on TOS/Movies have handed his bridge over under the same circumstances? No, he would have done what Harriman did.

Quark 04-01-2008 11:03 AM

Yeah, but remember Kirk had been Captain far longer than Harriman.

Elizadolots 04-01-2008 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Botany Bay (Post 34440)
Well, actually, if the time would have allowed it, I would have said:

Go down to the deflector controll room? Why not. All the high skilled, well trained and perfectly specialized deflector engeneers could perhaps need a hand, here.. or there.

Yeah...that's sort of the ticket..."Hey, why not send you down since this ship is completely new to you....."


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