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omegaman 06-05-2013 04:42 PM

Lindelof teases Trek 3 villains and potential crossover with original timeline
 
http://www.blastr.com/2013-6-5/linde...ginal-timeline

There be Klingons on the starboard bow!…

horatio 06-05-2013 04:58 PM

Just when I thought it couldn't get more fanwankish and my opinion of these idiots couldn't sink any further they come up with crossover, Borg, Q and Baby Picard.

omegaman 06-05-2013 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by horatio (Post 329189)
Just when I thought it couldn't get more fanwankish and my opinion of these idiots couldn't sink any further they come up with crossover, Borg, Q and Baby Picard.

Yeah… one wonders if we have to take this with a grain of salt… or not…

horatio 06-06-2013 03:44 AM

Of course Lindelof is fooling around but he is also showing what he is thinking about.

kevin 06-06-2013 04:18 AM

I would take everything to do with a third film with a grain of salt right now, considering a third film hasn't been officially greenlit yet. Spitballing is spitballing. I'd put more credence in the Klingon side of things. That being said, the Borg got screwed up so thoroughly by the PTB's last time I doubt that would be a very good idea. They're probably left far far away. Just like they never fit into DS9, they wouldn't fit into TOS either.

Captain Tom Coughlin 06-06-2013 02:59 PM

I take it with an ocean of salt

Quark 06-09-2013 09:47 PM

Knowing Lindelof, who said he would like to see Transformers combine with Star Trek, I doubt he would care about the original timeline.

horatio 06-10-2013 04:00 PM

I disagree.

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you can never see enough Klingons
Yes, you can. There were e.g. little fresh Klingon stuff in DS9 and VOY.
As I always say, these guys believe that you just need familiar ingredients to cook a good meal.

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You can’t talk about Trek and not talk about the Borg, and certainly about Q. Very iconic adversaries from The Next Generation which is, outside of the original cast films, was my entry way into Star Trek, so I wouldn’t mind getting – towards the end of our run on Star Trek, maybe baby Picard could be born. There has to be some sort of crossover we’re not thinking of.
I am a second generation Trek viewer as well and I frankly admit that I will never become much of a TOS fan (but then again even adamant TOS fans like Zim admit that the show had about 10 good episodes and the rest of them are roughly evenly split between average and bad) ... but I nonetheless advocate a retro 22nd century series and wouldn't even dream of mixing anything of TNG (except for its more accurate portrayal of Gene's vision and its superior Romulans) into a TOS movie.
The problem isn't that Lindelof cares too little about the original timeline, the problem is that he and Orci (I don't think any of the other guys involved has seen much Trek) care too much about it. And not in a good, creative 'being inspired by what came before you' but in a stupid, fanboyish 'gee, I wanna see that stuff again' way.

martok2112 06-11-2013 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by horatio (Post 329210)
The problem isn't that Lindelof cares too little about the original timeline, the problem is that he and Orci (I don't think any of the other guys involved has seen much Trek) care too much about it. And not in a good, creative 'being inspired by what came before you' but in a stupid, fanboyish 'gee, I wanna see that stuff again' way.

Which I will agree was a problem, I believe, with Nemesis (my favorite of the Next Gen films), with John Logan writing. He said in earlier interviews that he wanted to see the Enterprise do things it hadn't done before, but was apparently capable of doing...and such.

He, sadly, took a fanboy approach to the matter, (he is a self-proclaimed fan of Trek) and although it made for nice eye candy (I certainly enjoyed the hell out of the space battle which took up practically the entire second half of the film), it did not register well even with casual movie goers.

horatio 06-11-2013 11:58 AM

NEM had the great potential of being the first Trek movie about Romulans and I think it failed because it did not focus enough on the Romulans.
I also think that the villain with the monstership pattern which started there made the Romulans look far too weak.
And yes, I am perfectly of the irony: whining about missing the chance to do THE epic Romulan TNG movie is a fanboy critique.

So yeah, I don't wanna generalize and imply that fans suck at writing, e.g. during Piller's open door policy fans submitted great story drafts.
And of course it is unfair to merely focus on the plot and criticize STID as being too much of a copy job in this respect while totally ignoring that the texture and atmosphere of NuTrek is entirely new.

But I also think that two movies which heavily borrow from what came before are enough, now everything is set up and you could do your own thing (this was basically Kevin's thesis in another thread, view ST09 and STID as "setup" movies) yet Lindelof indicates that the next movie will not be different in terms of standing more on its own feet.
Let's not forget that the most popular was also the most radical Trek movie, there were quite some paradigm changes in TWOK (and while some like the stronger emphasis on Starfleet being a military was only used in the two Meyer movies the way spacebattles were handled remained virtually unchanged during the next twenty years).


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