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NCC-73515 11-04-2011 05:17 PM

The next villain: Del Toro?
 
http://trekmovie.com/2011/11/04/j-j-...-trek-villain/

Captain Tom Coughlin 11-04-2011 05:33 PM

Khan???

I hope not.

omegaman 11-04-2011 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Tom Coughlin (Post 319239)
Khan???

I hope not.

Not at all. He'll be Klingon for sure.

Captain Tom Coughlin 11-04-2011 09:20 PM

I don't know, he was on my short list for actors who could be tasked to play Khan.

JR585 11-04-2011 10:45 PM

Will he wear Romulan boots?

omegaman 11-04-2011 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Tom Coughlin (Post 319244)
I don't know, he was on my short list for actors who could be tasked to play Khan.

He may be charismatic, but he's definitely no Khan. He'd make a great Kor, Kang or Koloth! He was halfway there in Wolfman.

Captain Tom Coughlin 11-04-2011 11:09 PM

I hope you're right. I'd much rather Klingons. Khan should be left alone.

kevin 11-05-2011 01:46 AM

I guess with his looks he would seem most open to Khan....................but it could be another character.

I dunno, somedays I have to think of the whole Khan thing from the other angle of (even though I'm sorta against it myself) why not? I mean, the Nolan Batman films have reused major characters and villains from all the films that have been seen before (Harvey Dent, The Joker, Catwoman etc) more than once in some cases. Various incarnations of Superman have reused Lex Luthor (as did the TV series) and now the upcoming Superman film will reuse General Zod again. All versions of Sherlock Holmes end up using Moriarty as well. They don't all get used exactly as they have in earlier uses, but they still get used. Because they are highly associated with the main characters of each respective character.

All to varying degrees.

Some days I do have to step back and wonder whether 'banning' the use of a character in a reboot makes any sense. If I'm gonna be fine with Klingons, what's the deal with Khan. I suppose that could be extended to concepts like TT as well. Putting their own spin on Khan may fail hugely..............or it might work depending on how they reinvent him for the film. If he's in it.

I'm mentally rambling - ignore.

Captain Tom Coughlin 11-05-2011 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevin (Post 319250)
I guess with his looks he would seem most open to Khan....................but it could be another character.

I dunno, somedays I have to think of the whole Khan thing from the other angle of (even though I'm sorta against it myself) why not? I mean, the Nolan Batman films have reused major characters and villains from all the films that have been seen before (Harvey Dent, The Joker, Catwoman etc) more than once in some cases. Various incarnations of Superman have reused Lex Luthor (as did the TV series) and now the upcoming Superman film will reuse General Zod again. All versions of Sherlock Holmes end up using Moriarty as well. They don't all get used exactly as they have in earlier uses, but they still get used. Because they are highly associated with the main characters of each respective character.

All to varying degrees.

Some days I do have to step back and wonder whether 'banning' the use of a character in a reboot makes any sense. If I'm gonna be fine with Klingons, what's the deal with Khan. I suppose that could be extended to concepts like TT as well. Putting their own spin on Khan may fail hugely..............or it might work depending on how they reinvent him for the film. If he's in it.

I'm mentally rambling - ignore.

I know what you're saying. It's certainly possible that they could make a kickass Khan movie. I just feel like Wrath of Khan is such a great movie that it's going to be very difficult to top, and maybe it's best not to try. It's not just one of my favorite Trek films, it's one of my favorite films of any Genre.

horatio 11-05-2011 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevin (Post 319250)
I guess with his looks he would seem most open to Khan....................but it could be another character.

I dunno, somedays I have to think of the whole Khan thing from the other angle of (even though I'm sorta against it myself) why not? I mean, the Nolan Batman films have reused major characters and villains from all the films that have been seen before (Harvey Dent, The Joker, Catwoman etc) more than once in some cases. Various incarnations of Superman have reused Lex Luthor (as did the TV series) and now the upcoming Superman film will reuse General Zod again. All versions of Sherlock Holmes end up using Moriarty as well. They don't all get used exactly as they have in earlier uses, but they still get used. Because they are highly associated with the main characters of each respective character.

All to varying degrees.

Some days I do have to step back and wonder whether 'banning' the use of a character in a reboot makes any sense. If I'm gonna be fine with Klingons, what's the deal with Khan. I suppose that could be extended to concepts like TT as well. Putting their own spin on Khan may fail hugely..............or it might work depending on how they reinvent him for the film. If he's in it.

I'm mentally rambling - ignore.

I don't think that there should be any taboos and why not go for the real thing after NEM and ST09?

I see two problems with Khan. First, TWOK is the benchmark, i.e. any movie involving Khan will be automatically compared with TWOK. Second, Khan's story is of a closed nature.
In contrast there are e.g. the Klingons Omegaman mentioned, all come-and-go characters with open-ended story-telling possibilities.

Of course this does not have to be a problem if they rewrite the story like in the case of Pike, if the first contact between Kirk and Khan runs differently or if somebody else discoveres the Botany Bay. I nonethless think that choosing a TOS character who is not part of a story already told until the end might be a better choice. All the thrill of Space Seed would be gone, you'd know that Khan is the baddie.

What I always enjoyed was Trek inspired by Khan and the eugenic background, the truthfulness to ideas instead of characters.


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