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starwarsrcks 01-22-2011 01:42 AM

Star Trek The Motion Picture bad or good
 
what did you personally think of TMP bad or good

NCC-73515 01-22-2011 04:31 AM

When I was a kid: very bad.
Now: quite good!

martok2112 01-22-2011 05:40 AM

I loved ST:TMP when it first came out. As a kid, the first few minutes of the movie captured my imagination....seeing the new Klingons doing battle with V'ger was awesome, and still my favorite part of the film

With ST:TMP Special Director's Edition, I was blown away again...and then getting to see the original theatrical release on Blu-Ray...I was almost in tears, the quality was just spectacular.

Steve Gennarelli 01-22-2011 06:38 AM

I love just about anything "Star Trek"...After all, we've all watched "The Apple" and other "poor" episodes a few dozen times each.
So that being said, I enjoy watching "Star Trek: The Motion Picture".
But to answer the question, good or bad, I guess it would be more truthful to say "Bad".
The "Star Trek" movies really hit their stride with #'s 2-4 and they hit on a creative windfall due mainly to the contributions of Harve Bennett and to a slightly lesser extent, Nick Meyer.
"Star Trek: The Motion Picture" has a beautiful look at times and Jerry Goldsmith's score is probably the saving grace of the picture. But the core of the story is pretentious and the payoff at the end is as pleasureable as a flat soda. I don't think Roddenberry had the foresight/vision to make a 2 hr "Star Trek" celebration. Bennett knew how to pull it together and only "Trek V" could be considered a failure, but that was more Shatner's baby than Harve's.

Captain Tom Coughlin 01-22-2011 11:34 AM

Probably my least favorite Trek movie outside of the visuals. It's at least a three way tie between this, V, and Nemesis.

Saquist 01-23-2011 02:20 AM

I wasn't sentient when this movie came out
I think it was a very very poor idea for a Star Trek Movie or any movie. But it's not the worse film in Trek.

kevin 01-23-2011 03:07 AM

It's probably more bad than good really.

These days I consider it the first Trek reboot (one that failed and had to be corrected by Bennet and Co later) thanks to the ground up redesign and rebuild of everything visually from TOS and also the abandonment of anything that remotely made TOS what it was apart from the central characters. Not that reboots are bad, but this one simply wasn't well done and what annoys the most is that it was botched by the show's own creator.

Flat, ponderous, probably with a touch of unwarranted self-importance over what is essentially a paper thin plot (itself recycled from TOS anyway) the strongest thing going for it is the superlative effects and for actually having the feel of a major movie. But good as they are, there's not much else to really get excited about.

But, on the other hand, it was successful enough at the time to warrant Paramount giving it a second chance..........where some of the damage was successfully reversed in TWOK.

At the end of the day, without TMP, we wouldn't have any of the rest!

horatio 01-23-2011 03:50 AM

While talking about and comparing Trek movies a friend of mine once said that TMP doesn't count, meaning that as first reboot of the franchise (nice observation, Kevin) it is kind of an anomaly. It might be bad but somehow we can forgive it easier than in the case of later bad movies like TFF or NEM.

Pauln6 01-23-2011 04:21 AM

Even bad Trek is pretty good so this is all relative but I really like it. I loved the new look, the scope, the profssionalism of the characters, and the wide array of aliens in the crew. The TMP refit has never been bettered.

The downside is that it is a bit too sterile and there are not enough character moments. The pace and score allow you to drink in the visuals but to modern audiences who are used to such spectacle that just isn't enough.

Even as a child I found the story intriguing. I was probably old enough to understand and young enough not to see it coming. However it can become tiresome with repeat viewing. My ideal would have been a mixture of TMP and TWoK.

kevin 01-23-2011 06:53 AM

Yeah, I would agree that when I was a kid I enjoyed it a whole lot more. It was quite mysterious at the start and had all these fantastic images from within V'Ger etc

But with repeated viewings over the years it has slipped down.

The only real thing I didn't like about the DC was the final reveal of the ship inside the V'Ger cloud at the very end after it dissipated. Which was really just a disappointing box shape ship really and not at all wondrous or impressive.


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