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Botany Bay 12-05-2010 08:42 AM

New Space Shuttle returns from Secret Mission
 
Read it in a german newspaper today (Süddeutsche Zeitung): The X-37 Project seems much further in its development than has been revealed. The unmanned X-37b Orbiter has returned after seven month (seven!) in orbit. Its mission objectives are kept a secret. Wether it carried a payload remains unknown. The orbiter is marked as Air Force, not NASA.

Russia is concerned over all the secrecy and made it clear, that if the US would use the project to carry weapons into space, it would trigger a new arms race.

I must wonder about all the secrecy: In the past projects like this have been heavilly advertised. Such secrecy did not surround the Space Shuttle Program, the ISS, the Space Lab, Hubble, Apollo nor Gemini. And its strange, that it is the US Air Force running the show, instead of NASA. Seems the US doesnt even bother anymore to hide the military aspects of their space program under the science-umbrella of NASA.

This is the best english speaking source I could find:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40491145/40492239

NCC-73515 12-05-2010 11:36 AM

Several shuttle missions were also top secret and never revealed...

Botany Bay 12-05-2010 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NCC-73515 (Post 311156)
Several shuttle missions were also top secret and never revealed...

Right. But the Shuttle Program itself was not secret.

The thing is, that something that big is reported on page 10 in a small box, as if the US has a new space program every two weeks. Our two superpowers on the verge of a new arms race is pushed to page 10? The german Tagesschau, the most influential news program in german television, preferred to report about the guy, who hurt himself in a game show, while there was no mention of the fact that the next generation space program just so happens to drop out of the nightsky after seven month of active duty in space?

Thats more then odd. Thats bizarre.

horatio 12-05-2010 02:28 PM

The "Star Wars" programm has been running since the eighties so why should the testflight of an unmanned ship appear on page 1 of a newspaper?
Two superpowers? Russia is perhaps an important player in geopolitics but certainly not a superpower anymore.They have been pissed off by this kind of stuff for a long time, e.g. when the US offered Poland protection under such a program some years ago. If I didn't have to pay the bill I wouldn't mind such protection either, nothing but a nice spaceship with a big ray gun to make a country think twice before it messes with you. :D

I think that meddling directly before Russia's doorstep, e.g. when some NATO dumbasses considered to take a country like Georgia into the Western pact, has caused more concern on the Russian side than these ongoing experiments about weapons in space.

Anyway, the Cold War is long over and as space weapons are still in the experimental phase they won't cause an arms race in the near future. Let's focus on the existing arm races, not on the ones that might emerge in some decades.

Saquist 12-06-2010 05:39 PM

The military getting it done where NASA is failing...

Botany Bay 12-07-2010 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Saquist (Post 311195)
The military getting it done where NASA is failing...

If the government would have wanted the project to be a NASA project, then everyone associated with it would have done the exact same work under a NASA banner. But obviously the government preferred the project to be done under the secrecy of the Air Force hood. The question is why.

Saquist 12-07-2010 12:13 PM

This was a NASA project.
NASA didn't do anything with it whether it be for budget or some other reason such as this awful Orion project.

This is a simple Rocket Launched space plane. It works and it came back in one piece...cheaper than the shuttle, safer than the shuttle an could hold a seven man crew under certain confirgurations...

But no...NASA wants trashable capsule....

Botany Bay 12-07-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Saquist (Post 311205)
This was a NASA project.
NASA didn't do anything with it whether it be for budget or some other reason such as this awful Orion project.

This is a simple Rocket Launched space plane. It works and it came back in one piece...cheaper than the shuttle, safer than the shuttle an could hold a seven man crew under certain confirgurations...

But no...NASA wants trashable capsule....

If NASA said no to the project, then why does the Air Force want the project?

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc...c=GetTRDoc.pdf

horatio 12-08-2010 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Botany Bay (Post 311203)
If the government would have wanted the project to be a NASA project, then everyone associated with it would have done the exact same work under a NASA banner. But obviously the government preferred the project to be done under the secrecy of the Air Force hood. The question is why.

"Oh my god, they test a space weapon, oh my god, they do it secretly!"
Stop acting so surprised, the Star Wars program has been running for over twenty years.

Botany Bay 12-08-2010 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by horatio (Post 311223)
"Oh my god, they test a space weapon, oh my god, they do it secretly!"
Stop acting so surprised, the Star Wars program has been running for over twenty years.

And your point is...?

http://www.economist.com/node/8596871
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/editoria...Weapons-of.htm
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE50O15X20090125
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=19227400
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,1960486.story


Notice how NASA gets its budget cut and how its the Air Force developing a new orbiter. No new arms race, eh?
And if you now tell me, the X-37 project would be about replacing the space shuttle and resupplying the ISS then I am sorry to tell you, nope, thats what the Falcon 9 is for:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9

Notice how NASA does not keep the project a secret and notice that the flights to the ISS are scheduled allready.
You see the differences now?


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