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Botany Bay 11-28-2010 10:00 AM

Anyone Else ever Recognised the Similarities?
 
I allways knew I had heard the theme tune from Stragate Atlantis somewhere else before.

Main Theme SG-Atlantis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1zvW...eature=related

Main Theme Seaquest DSV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmLORVPCWhc

The Atlantis Theme was composed by Joel Goldsmith (not to be confused with good ole Jerry Goldsmith).
The Seaquest Theme was composed by John Debney and won an Emmy Award for "Outstanding Individual Achievement in Main Title Theme Music" in 1994.

Joel! You got some explaining to do!

NCC-73515 11-28-2010 10:30 AM

Interesting... so SG stole the symbionts from Trek and the music from DSV :D

Saquist 11-28-2010 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Botany Bay (Post 310906)
I allways knew I had heard the theme tune from Stragate Atlantis somewhere else before.

Main Theme SG-Atlantis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1zvW...eature=related

Main Theme Seaquest DSV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmLORVPCWhc

The Atlantis Theme was composed by Joel Goldsmith (not to be confused with good ole Jerry Goldsmith).
The Seaquest Theme was composed by John Debney and won an Emmy Award for "Outstanding Individual Achievement in Main Title Theme Music" in 1994.

Joel! You got some explaining to do!


They sound nothing alike in melody.
Seaquest is clearly a March or Fan Fare
While Atlantis only strings a couple of choruses together with a dissonance of Action scores in the beginning, bridged by choir.

There is an underwater like use of the horns in both but the melodies are very different to my ear.

Botany Bay 11-28-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by NCC-73515 (Post 310907)
Interesting... so SG stole the symbionts from Trek and the music from DSV :D

Dont get me started about where SG1 got all its inspiration from. T'Alk being a Spock-Worf-B.A. Barackus and Colonel O'Neil being McGuyver aka Richard Dean Anderson playing Kurt Russell who plays Colonel O'Neil. The 'references' can easilly get very confusing untill you end up seeing this commercial and considering it canon Stargate Material:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGRKZ...eature=related

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Originally Posted by Saquist (Post 310909)
They sound nothing alike in melody.

Really? I think the melody of the themes is pretty much the same. But then I am not a musician. May be I have hearing problems.

Saquist 11-28-2010 11:28 AM

To me it's clearly they are both under water themes because they both use the rolling harps in the background and fluttering flutes.

Edit: Even Atlantis the lost Empire does the EXACT same thing in a different way. And the exact same horn style.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tx783Z5gso

The abyss busted out the harps as well...

martok2112 11-28-2010 08:33 PM

Motifs in music can sound similar, and sometimes be mixed up for melody. A theme that is aquatic based is going to have a certain sound to it. (It would not be surprising to me that SG: Atlantis and SeaQuest DSV would have a similar sounding motif). A lot of times, it is the same for space based sci fi action fare.

Take Star Wars, Battle Beyond the Stars, Battlestar Galactica (the original series), even a couple of Star Trek themes....you'll hear similarities in motif.

kevin 11-29-2010 02:36 AM

I don't think I would confuse the two themes if I heard them - I think Saq covered it with his post.

I think it's an effect of the types of instruments and sounds used that conveys an aquatic 'feel' when listened to.

Although, I do think the SeaQuest theme has a hint of Star Trek in it near the start. Anyone else ever thought that?

martok2112 11-29-2010 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kevin (Post 310937)
I don't think I would confuse the two themes if I heard them - I think Saq covered it with his post.

I think it's an effect of the types of instruments and sounds used that conveys an aquatic 'feel' when listened to.

Although, I do think the SeaQuest theme has a hint of Star Trek in it near the start. Anyone else ever thought that?

Been so long since I've seen SeaQuest that I forgot what the theme sounded like.

Saquist 11-29-2010 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by martok2112 (Post 310927)
Take Star Wars, Battle Beyond the Stars, Battlestar Galactica (the original series), even a couple of Star Trek themes....you'll hear similarities in motif.

Those are some very good examples of the same phenomenon.
I've collected and arranged much of these types of music on the same CD and the similarities abound even when you're not dealing with the same composer...

For some reason to me...Indiana Jones Theme and Star Wars seemed so much a like I could never remember both at the same time.

martok2112 11-29-2010 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Saquist (Post 310942)
Those are some very good examples of the same phenomenon.
I've collected and arranged much of these types of music on the same CD and the similarities abound even when you're not dealing with the same composer...

For some reason to me...Indiana Jones Theme and Star Wars seemed so much a like I could never remember both at the same time.

Thanks, Saquist. :)

As for Indiana Jones and Star Wars being nigh indiscernable...well..consider this too....Lucas wanted (for Star Wars) something that sounded emotional and triumphant (similar to the music used for the old "Victory At Sea" film reels), so he drew from some 1940's-50's era orchestral ideas for inspiration. As for Indiana Jones, well, since the movies were largely set in the 1930's-'50's, the obvious choice was to go with very swashbuckling sounding music, so one could probably see where the two could kinda blend.


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