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Quark 11-24-2010 11:43 AM

Do you believe in karma?
 
Yes? No? Maybe so?

horatio 11-25-2010 09:21 AM

Is karma the 'behave badly and you get reborn as a worm' thing? It's just heaven and hell with a bit more flexibility.
I believe in mojo and latinum though. :D

Saquist 11-25-2010 12:28 PM

Negative, I do not believe in reincarnation.

kevin 11-25-2010 01:05 PM

Can I answer the poll when I die and then I find out what the next stage is?

Botany Bay 11-26-2010 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by kevin (Post 310823)
Can I answer the poll when I die and then I find out what the next stage is?

No, you have to take a pick now! If you dont choose or if you choose wrong, you will be reborn as a worm.:toetap05:

Quite frankly, I had many conversations whith someone, who believed in Karma. I never quite understood the relevance of the concept. If I am reborn as a worm, then I am NOT reborn at all, because I am NOT a worm. Same goes for the naive version of the idea of heaven, by the way. I am no angel, ergo, whatever ends up in heaven is not me.

But then, the idea of Karma also entails, that your actions will inevietably have repurcussions for you yourself within your lifetime. Like, you steal from someone and so, years later, someone else will steal from you.

There obviously is some truth to that, but whoever decides on the Karma seems to suck at math. Otherwise, how could evil tyrants like Stalin end up dying peacefully in their bed?

Captain Tom Coughlin 11-26-2010 12:54 PM

I voted no because I don't believe in it in a spiritual sense. I do however believe that actions have consequences, and people who make bad choices in life or are just generally bad people often pay a price for those actions and behaviors.

kevin 11-26-2010 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Botany Bay (Post 310849)
No, you have to take a pick now! If you dont choose or if you choose wrong, you will be reborn as a worm.:toetap05:

Well, it'll have to be 'No' then in lieu of any future experiences that alter that state of mind.


Quote:

There obviously is some truth to that, but whoever decides on the Karma seems to suck at math. Otherwise, how could evil tyrants like Stalin end up dying peacefully in their bed?
Because life has no benevolent logic behind it, no true rhyme or reason and good things happen to bad people, while good people have nothing but bad happen in their life.

It sucks. But it's all there is.

horatio 11-27-2010 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botany Bay (Post 310849)
No, you have to take a pick now! If you dont choose or if you choose wrong, you will be reborn as a worm.:toetap05:

Quite frankly, I had many conversations whith someone, who believed in Karma. I never quite understood the relevance of the concept. If I am reborn as a worm, then I am NOT reborn at all, because I am NOT a worm. Same goes for the naive version of the idea of heaven, by the way. I am no angel, ergo, whatever ends up in heaven is not me.

But then, the idea of Karma also entails, that your actions will inevietably have repurcussions for you yourself within your lifetime. Like, you steal from someone and so, years later, someone else will steal from you.

There obviously is some truth to that, but whoever decides on the Karma seems to suck at math. Otherwise, how could evil tyrants like Stalin end up dying peacefully in their bed?

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Originally Posted by kevin (Post 310862)
Because life has no benevolent logic behind it, no true rhyme or reason and good things happen to bad people, while good people have nothing but bad happen in their life.

It sucks. But it's all there is.

The usual religious reaction to evil people not being punished in this world is the idea that they will get punished in hell (Abrahamic religions) or the next life (Hinduism). Or let's take the reaction to 9/11 by folks like Pat Robertson that it was a punishment for our sinful life.
In both instances people try to restore order to the universe, even the most wicked crimes serve either a purpose (Godly warning) or will be punished in the afterlife respectively in the next life.

We should rather try to get out of this Pagan universe where things make sense and stick with Job. Stalin, 9/11 or whatever other horror and evil on this world don't serve any purpose. Or, to take the Christian equivalent of Job, God died on the cross and only the Holy Spirit is left, i.e. we are alone.
Isn't it wonderful that you can find this strange dialectic form of implicit atheism in Judaism and Christianity?


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